Jack Package
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Anyone out there go hog hunting with a .30 carbine? Cause I have heard that bullet dosnt have stopping power for <deleted> and I dropped a large sow from about 150 yards
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CarJunkieLS1
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Congrats! I can kill a deer a fifty yards with a .22LR...doesn't mean I should. There are just better options out there.
Can a .30Carbine kill a hog at 150yards apparently so but there are a plethora of more effective cartridges. And isn't that what its about giving the animal a quick humane death.
Can a .30Carbine kill a hog at 150yards apparently so but there are a plethora of more effective cartridges. And isn't that what its about giving the animal a quick humane death.
dogrunner
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It'l work.....if you use the right bullet. Far as the 'right' caliber issue goes, hellsfire, the .223 is at best marginal......sure modern bullets do ok in that caliber, but just as in the case of the .30c there're loads that do better..........pick your shot with care and most any round will get the job done.........screw it up and you either mess up meat or look for that critter for a long time. In nearly every case tho, accuracy trumps power.
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Jack Package
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FMJ and I wasn't actually hog hunting I work with my friend and I usually take the m1a1 as a ranch rifle. It's more handy than the 74
mljdeckard
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I have my grandfather's Inland. My dad killed two mule deer in one day with it. I would not use it for hunting big game. I think it is ideal as a personal defense weapon, but that means close-quarters and multiple rapid hits.
Hogs have a shoulder plate that needs some serious punch to get through. I think this makes the .30 carbine cartridge iffy at best for the job.
Hogs have a shoulder plate that needs some serious punch to get through. I think this makes the .30 carbine cartridge iffy at best for the job.
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midland man
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this blows me away lol for years I used a 223 and killed deer,hogs,varmits,pests,etc. and you know I shot all of them neck up only shots and all died using a 55gr bullet! LOL worked for me!
Patocazador
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I've had to finish a few cows that had broken down or were almost dead from calving difficulties. I used a .22 LR from a pistol at point blank range to the brain and had no problems. However, last time I used a .30 carbine from my Ruger Blackhawk. I did everything the same but it took 3 shots. That was only a one-time thing but it was enough for me. If it happens again, I'll go back to the .22.
I also won't use a .30 carbine again to shoot anything that's bigger than a coyote.
I also won't use a .30 carbine again to shoot anything that's bigger than a coyote.
Kachok
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The 30 carbine is a marginal cartridge for sure, I have a friend who used one for a while but he is a crack shot with it and could keep reliably hit spine shots with it. For what it is worth he now hunts with a 270. 223s, mid range handgun bullets and 22 cal centerfires certainly can do the job on whitetail inside reasonable ranges but I won't ever trust my hunt to them, not when I have a selection of much more powerful rifles that are better in every measurable way.
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Seems like the deal with marginal cartridges is that if all goes well, "Bang-whop-flop." You hear about those. You don't often hear about, "Bang-whop-where'd he go?"
dogrunner
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Now you coulda said that to begin with and closed this thread!!
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Pigs are wierd. Same day I killed one with my .22, I passed the ambulances loading up a dude who I later found out shot one with a .45-70 and it didn't work.
41 Mag
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To date I have literally killed tons of feral hogs. <y favorite firearm to use is my Ruger Compact in .308. Why, because it works up close and fast, like literally right at your feet, or out to around 400+yards with a good rest.
All that said, I have also used a dozen other calibers which included both the M1 Carbine rifle and my Blackhawk revolver. Shot placement on a hog is paramount if you want it to drop at the shot. Most folks shoot them like a deer which is too far back, and usually right through the stomach, which they will soak up and leave little trial with. My close friend has dumped over a hundred using his little 17 Rem as well with carefully picked shots. They simply fold up the landing gear and roll over when they hit the ground.
We shoot straight up the front leg and about 3" up from their belly line, or for a head shot. In most cases either of these will put them down in short order, if not on the spot.
This past year during the week of Christmas my grandson and I were sitting overlooking our back pasture. We had a feeder up behind us maybe 40yds away, and this boar comes right up 15 feet behind us cutting across the lower portion of the hill we were sitting on. I only had time to draw and fire my Redhawk 45 Colt, but I hit him square through the side hard enough with the 280gr WFN to spin him around before I put another one through him. We both saw the initial hit was a bit back as the something white was hanging out the 2" or so wide hole the bullet left. None the less he soaked them both up and left no trail to be followed through the underbrush. We did find him several hours later due to the congregation of the clean up crew, but he was so far up under a fallen tree they couldn't even get in to get to him.
So, yes the 30 Carbine WILL work on hogs, my BH has half a dozen weighing from 25'ish pounds up to around 180 pounds to it's credit. Will it work every time? if the shot is placed where it should be, and the range is short it should. But, things don't always go as planned, but like mentioned above and in the other post, when that happens, usually bigger doesn't work either.
All that said, I have also used a dozen other calibers which included both the M1 Carbine rifle and my Blackhawk revolver. Shot placement on a hog is paramount if you want it to drop at the shot. Most folks shoot them like a deer which is too far back, and usually right through the stomach, which they will soak up and leave little trial with. My close friend has dumped over a hundred using his little 17 Rem as well with carefully picked shots. They simply fold up the landing gear and roll over when they hit the ground.
We shoot straight up the front leg and about 3" up from their belly line, or for a head shot. In most cases either of these will put them down in short order, if not on the spot.
This past year during the week of Christmas my grandson and I were sitting overlooking our back pasture. We had a feeder up behind us maybe 40yds away, and this boar comes right up 15 feet behind us cutting across the lower portion of the hill we were sitting on. I only had time to draw and fire my Redhawk 45 Colt, but I hit him square through the side hard enough with the 280gr WFN to spin him around before I put another one through him. We both saw the initial hit was a bit back as the something white was hanging out the 2" or so wide hole the bullet left. None the less he soaked them both up and left no trail to be followed through the underbrush. We did find him several hours later due to the congregation of the clean up crew, but he was so far up under a fallen tree they couldn't even get in to get to him.
So, yes the 30 Carbine WILL work on hogs, my BH has half a dozen weighing from 25'ish pounds up to around 180 pounds to it's credit. Will it work every time? if the shot is placed where it should be, and the range is short it should. But, things don't always go as planned, but like mentioned above and in the other post, when that happens, usually bigger doesn't work either.
Float Pilot
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Back when I was law dawging in the villages up north, I found out that an M1 Carbine would fit into a patrol cars M-870 shotgun clamp rack. So I carried my old Winchester made carbine around.
We had problems with rabid dogs and loose feral sled dogs. The city council ordered us to shoot any loose dogs.
I tried putting down a couple of large K-9s (110 -120 pounds) and they ran off after I whistled a couple 110gr soft points right through them. Sure they bled a lot and eventually died after a half mile chase. But after that I retired my carbine to the collector side of the safe.
I would not shoot a 60 pound coyote with one, much less a 300 pound hog.
We had problems with rabid dogs and loose feral sled dogs. The city council ordered us to shoot any loose dogs.
I tried putting down a couple of large K-9s (110 -120 pounds) and they ran off after I whistled a couple 110gr soft points right through them. Sure they bled a lot and eventually died after a half mile chase. But after that I retired my carbine to the collector side of the safe.
I would not shoot a 60 pound coyote with one, much less a 300 pound hog.
Stony
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I gotta agree with 41 mag, most guys shoot hogs too far back. I also shoot a large number of them with various calibers. With my night vision I use an AR-15 with plain old 55 gr. FMJ's through the lower shoulder area and it drops them right in their tracks. I think a .30 carbine would do the same thing if you could hit them there, but not through the lungs or further back.
Zeke/PA
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.30 Carbine for Hunting ??
Great for Small Birds/ Big Flies!
Great for Small Birds/ Big Flies!
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Well my grandfather killed a lot of two legged creatures with his M2 (select fire version) in Korea. He tells me it did the job nicely.....so I guess it is good for something.....
Kachok
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Ideally, a deer/hog hunting cartridge will have the energy/mass/momentum to expand to at leased 1/2" and traverse the vital organs. All that extra hydrostatic shock and stuff is nice if you are trying for a bang flop but as long as I can punch a nice sized hole through the heart/lungs he won't go far. So by that standard the 30 carbine is suitable though a long way from ideal judging from the tests I have seen.
Note: Some 110gr SPs do not penetrate well enough to traverse the organs even on smallish deer, know your load and know your game. 223s, 45s, 30 carbines can all do the trick but you have to wait for ideal shots since they are all penetration limited when using bullets of adequate wounding width, taking hard raking shots with them is ill advised. The most successful hunting cartridges can utilize bullets of .200SD or higher, deliver 2000+ft/lbs at the muzzle and shoots bullets at leased 6mm in size, there are good reasons for that, not saying they are the only thing that can kill a deer clean but they have certainly stood the test of time.
Note: Some 110gr SPs do not penetrate well enough to traverse the organs even on smallish deer, know your load and know your game. 223s, 45s, 30 carbines can all do the trick but you have to wait for ideal shots since they are all penetration limited when using bullets of adequate wounding width, taking hard raking shots with them is ill advised. The most successful hunting cartridges can utilize bullets of .200SD or higher, deliver 2000+ft/lbs at the muzzle and shoots bullets at leased 6mm in size, there are good reasons for that, not saying they are the only thing that can kill a deer clean but they have certainly stood the test of time.
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Yup, love the .308. Mine's a stainless Remington M7. It just flat does the job, nuf said.
I remember some years ago a company that was converting M1s to a magnum revolver caliber or some such. Gave it enough pop to be useful. But, I reckon they're gone cause I haven't seen the ads in the 'zines in years. I always liked the looks of the little carbine, since I was a kid. Think it's 'cause the lieutenant on the TV show "Combat" carried one. Just thought it was cool. I'd see this Iver Johnson .22 M1 Carbine advertise and WANTED one. I never got it. By the time I grew up and got a job, they were out of production.
I'd have gotten a Carbine, but for the rather worthless caliber. My .22 magnum will do the job if the M1 Carbine will and that .22 mag is ACCURATE.
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Back when I was a kid and the M-1 Carbines were $75 in the barrel at Montgomery Wards, they were notorious for wounding deer because the only ammo available was anemic surplus FMJ.
My dad, as a Radio man in the Marines was issued one before they hit Saipan Tinian and Iwo. After his experience with them on Saipan, he dropped them once on the beach and retrieved a Garand from a fallen comrade instead.
My dad, as a Radio man in the Marines was issued one before they hit Saipan Tinian and Iwo. After his experience with them on Saipan, he dropped them once on the beach and retrieved a Garand from a fallen comrade instead.
matrem
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The .30 carbines biggest weakness is the sub-par ammo widely available for it.
Have never killed a hog with one, but the rifle & round itself sure ought to work great with a proper bullet placed where it needs to be.
Have never killed a hog with one, but the rifle & round itself sure ought to work great with a proper bullet placed where it needs to be.
bikerdoc
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M 1 carbines have great personal sentimental value to me but that is a story for another thread.
For hunting hog, 308 or 30/06 is my choice.
For hunting hog, 308 or 30/06 is my choice.
Lloyd Smale
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im one that usualy sides with the larger gun per animal size. that said my first deer rifle was an m1 carbine. I hunted with it for about 5 years and killed quite a few whitetail with it. Never a shot over 75 yards that i recall. I used soft point rem ammo and never lost a deer. Tracked a few a couple hundred yards but then ive done that with 300 mags too. Many will claim 357 handguns are plenty for short range deer and the m1 puts more smack on an animal then the 357 does. Just hunt knowing that 50 yards is a good limit and place your shots carefully and id bet youll be eating backstraps. Keep in mind too that at one time in this country the 3220 was considered a great deer round and the m1 will do anything a 3220 will do if not a bit more.
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