Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by solman, Nov 5, 2017.
I bought mine because it's the perfect gun for NV hog hunting. Better kill rate than 223 on running animals after first shot. Gentle on the scope, I'd just use a .308, but they damage the NV scope over time. . Mild flash, I've had trouble with some stuff safetying the NV.
I wish it had an extra 300 fps across the board.
I have a 10.5 and 16. Both cycle perfectly with subs and supers. You won't find that in any other caliber, but I really prefer pistol calibers for subs.
Blk is outstanding:
Flexible subs and supers.
Unmodified AR platform.
"Knock down" power
Quality ammo is cheap to load.
Ideal caliber for children and wives in bolt guns.
Short barrel performance
Cheap plinking ammo
Trajectory sucks past 200
I was agreeing, sorry for the confusion.
For plain ol' target shooting, it doesn't offer much advantage over 5.56 or x39. But if you reload, run suppressed or short barrel, then its a good round to have. If you are just buying it to widen the calibers you own, no its not worth it.
If you're talking about the 7.62x29 mags, only the C-Product mags are known to work the most reliable. I currently have a 10.5" AR pistol in x39 and it works very well with the Cprod mags. Kicks a good bit, but nothing unmaneagable.
I used to own a PSA 16" 300BLK upper a few years ago but sold it since I don't reload or shoot suppressed.
Mine didn't. Not complaining, I knew I was taking a chance, and I didn't really need 20s or 30s to work. 10s were plenty.
Shot one once. Had a suppressor on it. The owner said I should try a clay bird on a bank at 250 yards. It had a scope with a dot reticle. To my utter delight I broke the bird on my first and only shot. No recoil and a very slight anemic 22ish bang.
Subsonic target shooting, I shoot way more 9x19 because it is much cheaper and easier to load. One can get more precision out of a 300 blk than say a 9x19 if that matters at the range you intend to shoot subsonics. It doesn't for me and my uses.
Subsonic if terminal ballistics matter, 300 blk requires particular and expensive bullets to do anything besides punch .30 holes. I don't hunt anything I would shoot with a subsonic 300 blk. For defensive use, I'd use supers and then discussion changes. I guess if I was needing to shoot something and kill it at 100+ yards with a subsonic round (and wanted a capability a bolt gun didn't offer) then my 300 blk would get called upon. The reality is that is something I've never done and don't really anticipate needing to do. If bullets that offered any kind of decent terminal ballistics with subsonic loads got cheaper I might be more interested. When the ranges are much shorter I think it is worth looking at the difference in performance between say a 9x19 147 grain gold dot and some of the boutique 300 blk bullets. Particularly given that loaded factory gold dot cartridges are less expensive than some of these bullets. You have to filter through a lot of noise and hype but the info is out there and people can draw their own conclusions.
Supersonic target shooting: nothing wrong with the 300 blk but it doesn't do anything in this space for me that less expensive rounds, namely 5.56 and 7.62x39 don't do for me. It is notably more expensive though.
Supersonic where terminal ballistics are a concern. The only two uses for me would be hunting and defense. I honestly don't have a hunting use for supersonic 300 blk. Now people who live other places and hunt other animals in different terrain might, but I don't. Defensive use, I think 110 grain Barnes black tip is a pretty solid choice for this role. From my perspective, I don't know that any advantage it might hold over certain quality 5.56 loads makes it worth the effort and expense. I do think you can get away with a shorter barrel on 300 blk than I would want to use on a 5.56. However, once again I'm not sure that for my uses and budget it is worth it to use an 8.5" barrel versus a 10.5" or even 11.5" barreled gun.
In terms of it being a versatile round, when you look at everything it can do between sub sonic loads and supers, it is undeniably versatile. That said I don't like worrying about different zeros, or optics, etc going between supers and subs. I also am not in need of a one tool solution.
In sum, I do suppressed and short barrels. I don't hunt animals I would want to shoot with a 300 blk or at likely distances I would want to use 300 blk. There is nothing wrong with the 300 blk per se. Maybe I just don't see the light, but I largely view my foray into 300 blk as a misadventure and honestly wish I would have spent the money on ammo for other guns I already owned. I still have 300 blk guns etc but they don't see much use. Someone with different uses and/or a different budget and/or a different amount of time to dedicate to additional cartridges might well feel differently than I do.
@Girodin I had the same feeling after assembling my 300 BO, and buying the dies, powders, tools to cut down brass, etc, etc. I ended up cutting ties with it 3 years ago and assembled an ar47 and couldn't be happier. Like you said it is a very versatile round, and if someone wants to go that route more power to them. I would just caution anyone before spending all the money like Girodin and I did, analyze ballistics, ammuntion costs, performance (both sub and super) between 300BO, 7.62x39, 5.56; and see if the money you could have spent on another cartridge is better spent elsewhere. If I would have done more research I don't think I would have bought into the 300 BO, and went a different direction.
I think a lot of people are jumping off the 300 BO for the same reasons.
I did the research and passed over a Ruger American Ranch in 300 BO for a Savage 10 in 7.62x39, and never missed that 300 BO.
I still say the ONLY reason to own a 300 BO is if you shoot subsonic suppressed. Otherwise, it's a very substandard round.
If you have lots of 223 brass and want an improvement in terms of terminal effectiveness, the 6mm x45 or 6mm TCU are super easy and will give you lots of options including long
range and hunting and is one simple stroke of the FL sizing die and done!
You can also use some of the same powders you share with the 223.
It doesn't get easier than that and one can get match accuracy too.
I have the whisper and the 6mm version uppers so I am speaking from first
hand experience with all those.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/300-blackout-bolt-gun.755569/ ) it was fun but i don't have a use for it. if i just wanted to sit on a range bench and plink, it would be great for that. especially awesome if you had younger kids who wanted to shoot and didn't like the noise/concussion of other cartridges
but i'm really warming up to my ammo can pistol since i can carry it concealed.
Well .... you had to show me this cool backpacking toy !! ??? Didn't you have anything better to do? LOL
This is cool stuff. Who makes the folding receiver and stock? would 10" work fine?
I have an extra pistol barrel I made when I made the 35 gunner carbine so this would be great to send some serious lead downrange.
Before the summer I got an amazing deal on 3000 bullets of speer 200gr TMJ at 12 cents each and also 250gr hotcors.
I also tried the sierra 170gr burners that work great in the small pistol.
Substandard compared to what ?
Just a passing thought that occurred to me one day. I have been on internet gun forums for a long time and one thing that has always intrigued me is the rabid following the .30 Carbine has. I have seen threads where people probably would have used physical violence to defend the .30 Carbine. There are people who would let you insult their mother before they would let you say anything negative about the .30 Carbine.
The .300 Blackout is far superior to that, yet it is considered substandard.
FWIW: I bought a .300 Blackout bolt action Ruger American rifle last spring. I spent the whole summer having more fun than anything I can remember in the shooting world for years. I really can't tell you why. I just really enjoyed it. I probably have purchased a dozen or more guns every year for decades. I probably shoot four times a week. And for some reason, this completely rekindled my love for shooting and reloading. I tried all kinds of bullets, all kinds of powders, subsonics, supersonics, cast bullets, jacketed bullets, suppressed, not suppressed, I shot it at ranges out to 500 yards............................... I don't care what it cost in comparison to anything else. I don't care about speculation about it's lethality. It is just a lot of fun......................for me.
Now get one in 7.62x39 and have even more fun with a 20 or 30-round mini mag and cheaper ammo.
My "substandard" comment was mostly aimed at the people who wanted to claim 300 BO was equal to 7.62x39 ballistics, and even the few that said it equaled the 30-30, both of which are preposterous.
The 7.62x39 can't really compete with a suppressed 300 BO shooting subsonic ammo, but in every other way, the x39 round will kick it's butt. That's why I consider it substandard.
Having said that, if someone put a 300 BO in my hands and dumped a pile of ammo in my lap, of course I would enjoy shooting it. I enjoy shooting my .22 LR bolt gun too. I've always viewed the 300 BO as a solution looking for a problem. Same can be said for a lot of other rounds that were created in the last 10 years.
That doesn't work for me.
Different people enjoy different things.
I enjoy target shooting. Both paper and steel. I am really into trying to wring maximum accuracy out of my rifles. I have no use for 20 or 30 round magazines in something like this (although I have plenty of them for other guns) and I have no real use for "cheap" ammo. What I enjoy the most about .300 Blackout is the reloading process of trying to get my rifle to shoot great groups. I even went so far as to buy LE Wilson hand dies and load on an arbor press. So shooting surplus ammo or some bulk packed stuff isn't my thing. My goal was to be able to put 5 consecutive SUBSONIC shots on a 3"x5" index card at 200 yards. And I succeeded. You can't do that with cheap ammo. The latest bullets I am shooting in my .300 Blackout supersonic, cost about $80 per hundred. https://www.milehighshooting.com/g9-competition-series-308cal-154gr-match-grade-100-box-308-154-1-435/ One of the advantages to the .30 (.308 diameter bullet in the .300 AAC Blackout) is that if you want to, you can buy premium bullets like this.
But, this is just me. Other people enjoy other things.
it's all in that thread, complete parts list. but there is no "stock" it's a shockwave pistol stabilizer on a pistol buffer tube. the folder is a LAW folding adapter. the take down handguard and barrel nut are made by dolos. otherwise, the barrel and other parts are standard AR stuff
Yep, me too. Sold the 7.62X39 upper.
Curious as why a 300 BO Ruger American Ranch turns your crank, but the same rifle in 7.62x39 with better mags doesn't work for you.
My Lapua 7.62x39 brass loaded with 125-grain Nosler BT's are pretty darn fun to shoot.
LOL. I have a video of one of my young friends shooting 9 consecutive clay pigeons at 300 yards with $5.99/box Academy Monarch HP ammo. I guess you'd have to see it to believe it though. Anyone who thinks the 300 BO is more accurate than the 7.62x39 needs to spend a little more time with the little Russian IMO. It is an incredibly accurate round in my Savage 10, and in the RAR.
Im hating you both alot right now..............I DONT need another project, i dont need another project, i DONT need another project......
Getting subsonic rounds to shoot that good is hard tho, best i managed from any of my .300AACs were about 3" at 100 yds, and thats sans can. My supersonics wernt hard to average 1"-1.5"
Get back to me with the video of them doing it with subsonics.
I have to say it was mostly the gun and the great job he owner did setting it up!
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