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Dude, that movie made me REALLY want to make a crazy gun scene starring myself, and some zombies and stuff.

If I had like 50,000 dollars, I'd pay the director to make a 10 minute slow-mo crazy fight scene where I blast a bunch of zombies, and then I'll loop it constantly on a 32" flatpanel T.V. mounted on my wall.

It's like a painting....that moves....and stars me shooting zombies with crazy camera effects.
 
But what does The Battle of Thermopylae have to do with with guns?

To the gun rights people it has to do with arms. However I would venture that it is actualy a very bad example of a people to highlight for RKBA.

They had an entirely slave population who they routinely terrorized to keep them subordinate and submissive. Had rights of passage that included sending young boys out into the night to kill members of the slave population.

Newborn babies were bathed in alcoholic wine to see if they were strong enough to survive it. If they did then they were eligible for inspection by the elders, who if they found any flaws put the baby outside for the animals to eat.

Men were fined for not taking boy lovers. It was expected that men be active pedophiles and mentors of a boy as it was believed to help create a stronger positive influance. Women were expected to do the same, though they were not legaly bound or fined for not doing it.

The men were very feminine by todays standards, combing thier hair before battles, engaging in bisexual relationships, etc which actualy probably was a major contributor in thier sense of duty and valor to eachother as they were emotional and physical lovers. They even excercised naked with oil for the sole purpose of being more sexualy attractive to eachother than without oil or wearing clothes.

However they were also extremely honorable. A famous example is this story:
"An elderly man was trying to find a place to sit and observe the Olympic Games, as he went to each section. All the other Greeks laughed as he tried to make his way through. Some ignored him. Upon entering the Spartan section all the Spartans stood and offered the elderly man their seats. Suddenly the entire stadium applauded. All the Greeks knew what was the right thing to do, but the Spartans were the only ones who did it."


All in all the very things that define who a society is and the values and family unit were different and unrelatable to modern society, so could not be accurately displayed and still sell to the target audience of guy movies. I would probably find it repulsive myself even enjoying the historical accuracy and portrayal. However the actual battle I would have highly enjoyed, even with some emotional theatrics.

Then there is the tactics. Spartans had very large shields, very different than those employed in the movie. This was a necessity for the tactics used by them and the formations they used. They did not charge in or run around like macho individuals as in the movie. In fact to do so would have been a serious dishonor to Sparta and fellow soldiers punishable by death and the man protected by your shield would have been exposed. The symbol fo the shield and its purpose was sacred to Spartans, even to the extent of being presented to them by thier wives upon leaving with the phrase "With this, or upon this" refering to the fact that no soldier should return to Sparta alive without his shield. This is because the very large shields were heavy and escaping while carrying such a heavy thing was nearly impossible. Also to discard or lose your shield meant you were not only a dishonorable coward, but you let down the fellow soldiers dependent on your shield for protection in formation. The Spartan Phalanx was the primary formation used for fighting, and is extremely dependent on everyone having a shield, however such a formation does not lend itself to theatrics and exciting screenplay, nor does such a large cumbersome shield.

Even the physical build of the men was innacurate showing predominantly large men with gym and weight lifting builds like a typical action hero, which in a time of limited logistics and days and days of marching was not caloricly possible. Most men of sparta were long and lean, carrying heavy gear many miles eating minimal food, just like many other soldiers of the time period.

So the entire thing is just a bunch of macho BS designed to appeal to such emotions. No different than many other movies, except that it is refering to real life events. I can enjoy a macho BS flick myself, however not when it portrays such a coveted military success falsely. There is not many such decisive extreme examples of military achievement so when they screw up one so severely it is unfortunate.

I imagine some people would feel the same about a fake fictional representation of the Alamo. It dishonors soldiers and men who died for something they believed in and were so successful doing so to falsely represent thier struggle when it is easy not to do so.

O please DO shut up. NOBODY here is impressed with what you think you know.

You say they are so different from anything in modern society that we cant possibily understand them. But yet YOU claim to understand them. Shut up.

The underlying facts are prety close to reality. you can wine about how the kopis was styleized or how the spear heads werent ground at the perfect angle, or that the shields were small enough to actualy allow the audience to see the actors, or that the lambda was embosed instead of painted on, blah blah blah. IT DOESNT FREEKING MATTER.

The FACT is that we dont realy KNOW exactly how the battle went down. Just like we dont realy KNOW exactly what it was like inside the Alamo. We can make a good guess, but unless you were there, or reading a dirrect account of those who were, then you dont know squat. 5'th hand accounts writen down by philosophers and historians who dont understand combat dont count. ;)
 
I've not seen the movie and won't until it hits dad, but I have to say that there appears to be a lot of hopliteophobes in this thread.

Biker;)
 
I took my 74 y/o Mom and we both liked it. But I got my first bad interaction with the youth of today. I have no children so have been out of the main loop. Although I see many in the clinic it is not the same as seeing them away from their parents. Well I was sitting there next to my Mom and a teenager about 16 years old (guy )who was sitting in front of me and TWO seats down to my right looked back at me and told me to shut up. Only problem is (other than his rude manner) is I had not and was not talking it was the people to the left of my MOM. But what really got me shook up is he walked up to me as we were going out and said I needed to mind my manners. And called me a B#$CH. I was shocked to say the least. I just told him I had nothing to say to him. Gosh are 16 year old guys cussing out 50y/o women with their 74 y/o mothers now. I still am shocked. I told my Mom I am glad my nephew DID NOT go with us cause the guy would have been decked. I guess I am just too old and did not grow up with such potty mouthed rude teenagers.:mad:
 
I saw the movie Saturday night. It is probably my favorite movie of all time.

In this months Mens Health it has Gerard Butler (King Leonidas) in an interview. His workout regiment was insane. The tried to mimic spartan athletics and did alot of different types of lifts that you don't see in almost any gym. Very cool.

clipse
 
I saw the movie on Friday night. I enjoyed it to the extent that it was based on a Graphic Novel. It was inherently true to the Graphic Novel. It was however not historicly accurate and I did not expect it to be. Thus my expectations were met.
To discredit the movie on a historic level is analagous to comparing blunderbusses to Winchester 94's. Yes the Bluderbuss is a gun and it preceded the gun that is the winchester 1894, but functionally and cosmeticly the two have little in common. The same is true for 300, Yes the Spartans and the Battle of Themoplyae are ture event, the movie is derived from these events and people.The Movie is based on a graphic novel which is LOOSELY based on a historic event. Thus you get the filtration effect of multiple interpretations.
 
Gosh are 16 year old guys cussing out 50y/o women with their 74 y/o mothers now. I still am shocked.

Who needs to mind who's manners? I'm still shocked I just read this...I'm still young myself(not 16 but young enough) and I'll be damned if I ever heard some 16 year old punk kid call a 50+ year old woman and her mother a bitch and get away with it.

Guess that just shows you what kind of parents that kid has...I know I was raised better than that...



Just rediculous
 
I saw it last night, its was a great movie. It wasn't violent for the sake of violence, and I thought it was tastefull.
Where it shined was in capturing the warrior spirit that was ingrained into the Spartan from a young age.
p.s.-Kim, I run into these kids at the gym all the time. I have found 3 seconds of eye contact will shut up even the most obnoxious kid. Most are just to young to have gotten their butts kicked...so far.
 
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The "message about iraq war" is not a cliche.

The movie was made in Hollywood. EVERYTHING here has a political cant. I know - I live and work here.

Besides, can you think of a single piece of major artistic work that DIDN'T have any political message or influence in it? It's normal.

I'm not saying that 300 was a subliminal message designed to brainwash us, i'm just saying that they said their message too damn often.

count the number of times they say "FREEDOM!" in that movie. it's excessive, it's onerous. the first couple times were cool.. then... ack.. again?

And yes, 300 is a nice myth, very graphic novel, it's pretty good entertainment. It's also one big artist's rendition of the truth.

I just wish it didn't try to hammer the "Die for Freedom" theme to death so much.

Then again, Subtlety wasn't exactly evident in Sin City either...
 
This is the greatest movies ever filmed. Period. You have to see it.
The director needs an Oscar. The guy that played Leonidas needs an Oscar. The visuals were as powerful as they were stunning. Every frame was a work of art.
As far as sword fight movies go, I'm liking this one is better than Gladiator and Braveheart put together.
Yes the movie became unrealistic, but the history of the Spartans and the basic story was realistic enough. One could easily geek out on the historical inaccuracy. Criticize the flick to death about the heroes' calls of freedom not being something that the Leonidas would have talked about and how they would have been calls for Sparta instead of freedom.... yeah yeah yeah... we know that. This isn't a historical drama.
Really it is a message to us in our time and Frank Miller retold the story so that Americans would understand and appreciate it. We have to fight for our freedoms. So take it for what it is. A fantastic motivational blood bath. I loved every minute and every frame of it.
I'm just glad one of the normal Hollywood types didn't do this story... they would have ruined it like they ruined Pearl Harbor.
 
Not my taste.

Still debating if I am going to see the movie or just rent it on DVD. I am not a fan of Frank Miller's work, too much senseless violence and over the top stories for my tastes. If this is a faithful reproduction of the novel then I probably won't want to see it until it come out on DVD. Its seem people who like movies like this really enjoyed it. Which is great.

I am not sure why some people are complaining about 300 not being a historically accurate to the real battle. Hey, its a movie based on a graphic novel, which is based on a 1950s Hollywood movie, which was based on dramatized rewrittings of the battle from the 1800s. After all the rewritting of the story I am amazed its still about the Greeks and Persians.
 
KIM - "Gosh are 16 year old guys cussing out 50y/o women with their 74 y/o mothers now."


Yes.

And sometimes, they beat them up and rob them.

Signs of the times.

L.W.
 
All youse guys who are talking about waiting for DVD... DON'T.

Don't tell me you can't afford it. I saw a $3.50 matinee and got stadium seating at a Cinemark here in Oklahoma City. You can find that much change in your couch. Gas money, you're on your own. Don't be a pansy...you're not going to hear a whole audience cheer a decapitation if you rent it at your house. :neener:

I'm thinking of going again just to see it on IMAX.
 
I'm going to go see it at the IMAX in Tampa. Can't wait!

Zoogster,

Awesome historical background. I loved reading it. I too would like to see Hollywood come out with something more along the lines of Gates of Fire a la Ridley Scott and Blackhawk down. That too would be a classic that we ALL would love to see.

I am just sorry that Hollywood chose to produce this movie INSTEAD OF Gates of Fire. I think there is room for both.

David

Kim... Too bad it is illegal to swat the crap out of a kid behaving in that manner. Parents need to make certain that they discipline their kids and make them into polite productive citizens. Do it or society will via the penal system.
 
you're not going to hear a whole audience cheer a decapitation if you rent it at your house.

You haven't met my kids. :)

Going this weekend.
 
I think the reason people are asking what the movie has to do with guns and RKBA is because this General Gun Discussions forum mandates a thread that has something to do with firearms.

Unfortunately, the only thing the movie has in common with this community is the two words 'molon labe'. That's it. It's surprising that other threads about honor, fighting to the last, or similar, are closed because they they have nothing to do with firearms, but this one is left open.
 
soo.... what gun for blades-for-arms hulking executioner monster? would a 9mm to COM stop it, would it take a .45? I say M14 will get the job done, them persians would never have been able to land on the beach if the spartans had m14s. :D
 
I almost never see a movie on opening night, even if im looking forward to it. its alwase packed with 15-18 year olds that talk the entire time, and are playing games on their cell phones; they make sure to sit in the front rows and hold the phone up high so everyone gets distracted by it.

The lazer pointers randomly pointing at womens breasts is another priceless classic. :rolleyes:
 
Very good movie, just remember to think of it as a "campfire story", as someone earlier said, put into movie form.
Some of the very best sword-play scenes ever. It's part Conan, Braveheart, The Patriot and Matrix all rolled into a fun ride with a foundation based on a real event. Very well done.

The only "monster" I didn't really get was the "guillotine-arm" dude, or was he just another offspring of some serious inbreeding like the other screwed up freaks.

Go see it.

PB
 
Zoog, if you're going to attempt academia by spouting how things really were so matter-of-factly, you need to cite your sources.


Not a lot of contemporary sources on the battle of Thermopylae. Herodotus wasn't there.

The things he did mention (society wise) he seems to knows his stuff. Ancient history is not my field, but most of the things he mentioned I'm familiar with:

They had an entirely slave population who they routinely terrorized to keep them subordinate and submissive. Had rights of passage that included sending young boys out into the night to kill members of the slave population.

Newborn babies were bathed in alcoholic wine to see if they were strong enough to survive it. If they did then they were eligible for inspection by the elders, who if they found any flaws put the baby outside for the animals to eat.
Yup.

I've never studied Spartan homosexuality, so I cannot comment on that, whether Zoog knows his stuff or not. Also, too many sources to cite on Spartan society....


That being said, I haven't seen the movie, but I would like to. Knowing that it is based on a comic book lets me know that I need to suspend reality for the duration.
 
Just got back from the theatre, and all I can say is wow...That was incredible...It took machoism to a whole new level.

That was the book "The Alphabet of Manliness" in movie form.

I'm not sure I'd call it "macho", more like over the top "homoeroticism"...

Particularly funny is where the Spartans make fun of the Athenians for being "Boy Lovers", something about pots calling kettles black...

Oh and the speechwriter in the movie must work for the Ayn Rand Institute.

All of the "freedom vs. slavery" "rational vs. mystic" "reason vs. 10 foot tall xerxes" was straight up objectivist.

Still if you take the movie for what it was, a great frank miller action movie, I'd still give it two thumbs up.
 
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