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.308 1912 Austrian Mauser

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by roycek, Oct 28, 2009.

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  1. roycek

    roycek Member

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    Not familiar w/this particular Mauser. Purchased for $350 at gun show by (sigh) a family member. Can anyone tell me anything about these rifles..value...strength...weakness...advise...any history? Thanks!
     
  2. NCsmitty

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    Welcome to THR, roycek.

    Pictures would help immensely.



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  3. Gordon

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    I have a 1912 Steyr converted to .308 in Venezula that is almost new looking. The gun cost me $250 10 years ago but the matching bayonet was $125!
     
  4. DeputyVaughn

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    Probably Chilean. If so, nice gun, strong 98 action. Very smooth.

    Scott
     
  5. justashooter in pa

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    the chileans were mostly ludwig and lowe 95 actions. L&L was absorbed by DMW in 96 so those are antiques and can be sold/shipped without FFL.
     
  6. DeputyVaughn

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    I have a 1912 Chilean. Styer manufacture, 1961 308 conversion. 98 action and smooth as glass.

    Scott
     
  7. roycek

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    Thanks, but its Austrian, Marked NATO ( .308 and not 7.62x51)not Chilean..anyone know anything about these.
     
  8. jimmyraythomason

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    As stated earlier,need pictures.
     
  9. Maverick223

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    It has been bubba'd in one way or another...no 1912 Mausers were made in .308Win./7.62NATO. :D The value is going to suffer because it has been rechambered, though it is still likely a fine rifle.

    :)
     
  10. jimmyraythomason

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    It brought $350 at a gun show. I don't think it's value has suffered much.
     
  11. Float Pilot

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    Many thousands of Mauser rifles were made by the Germans, Czechs and Austrians for various other nations. Most customers being South or central American.

    The 1912s were originally chambered in 7x57mm Mauser and were later converted to 7.62 NATO.


    Does the left side of the receiver side rail have a stamp "WAFFENFABRIK
    STEYR" with "AUSTRIA" underneath?


    Many (most) of the 7.62mm short rifle conversions appear to still be 'in the white'. Those have the stamp "NATO" underneath the factory "MODELO 1912"
    stamp on the receiver.
    Some also have a stamp of "-61" is to the right of the "MODELO 1912" "MODELO 1912-61" So far, most of the 7.62 Nato chambered short rifles have 2 groove barrels.

    The 7.62 NATO long rifle conversions of Chilien Mausers appear to be much more recent than the Short Barreled conversions. The long rifles have been re-blued, (Blackened) to include blacking of the receiver. The rear of the long rifles receiver is stamped with "7.62" over an "N" . The long rifles have 4 groove barrels.

    The Model 1912s were a direct copy of the M/98 action and are very strong.

    There has been some guessing as to just why the rifles with the 23.5 inch barrels have two grove rifling. Some folks seem to believe that Chile bought a bunch of 1903A3 two groove barrel blanks and cut them back for the 7.62 NATO chambering.


    Does your receiver look like this?
     

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  12. Mustang51

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    How the conversion was done depends on whether it has a 24" barrel or the longer 29" barrel.

    If it is a Steyr 1912-61, with a 24" barrel then it most likely is/was a Chilean Mauser that was converted to 7.62 NATO. 1903 Springfield 30-06 barrels were used. The threaded shank was cut off, and they were rethreaded to Mauser threads, and re-chambered to 308/7.62.

    If it is the 29" barrel, then it may have had a .308/7.62 chamber insert soldered in and the barrel re-bored to .308 caliber from 7mm. I've heard different stories on the long barreled version.

    How many grooves is the barrel?
     
  13. FSJeeper

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    I believe the OP thinks this is an Austrian military mauser used by the Austrian Army.

    If that is the case, Austria did not use a standard bolt action rifle in its military at this time. The Steyr 1895 model straight pull action rifles were used by the Austrian military from 1895 through WWII. Many of these were converted to 8mm Mauser by the Nazi's in WWII. The 1895 Steyr is a completely different action than the mauser.

    The only bolt action mauser military rifles in the model 1912 version made by Steyr in Austria were made for Colombia, Mexico, and Chili. Steyr did make civilian bolt action rifles around 1912 but I do not think they used mauser action, they used the excellent 1903 Greek military action design.

    What you have is a South American military mauser made for one of the above listed countries by Steyr which was later converted to .308.
    If it is in excellent condition, mint bore, all numbers matching, $350 was a fair price.
     
  14. Lone Star

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    Some of those early Mauser receivers were a bit soft. Have a gunsmith check this rifle before shooting.

    As a rule of thumb, never buy a re-chambered military rifle.

    Lone Star
     
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    My 1912 7.62 is Colombian(I remembered it as Venezulan) and has a new barrel 28" long and everything re arsenaled it is on the pile below 3rd down from top and you can't see it well!
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  16. HankC

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    Saw 3 Steyer 1912 7.62NATO mausers at my local gunshop still have whole sale tags on. Wood is good to very good condition, metal is very good to excellent. Bore is shining but rifles seem to be not as strong as my other 308 rifles. Priced at $229 each. Is there a new batch came in? $229 is a fair price at today's market I would think.
     
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