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308 surplus 2nd tier ammo review

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by casio02478, Feb 21, 2007.

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  1. casio02478

    casio02478 Member

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    Since the good stuff have been drying up, I am interested in knowing what does everyone out there feel about about the ammo coming out of non-nato countries. I am seeing alot of nigerian, czech, paki, and indian ammo out on the market. Any first hand experiences? are they corrosive? are they going to go bang :) or are they going to go boom :mad: in my rifle?
     
  2. chestnut ridge

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    The quality is variable. I have some Indian that I plan to shoot; after I
    pull the bullets and clean the excess tar off. Then I will dump the powder
    and rethrow the charges; and reseat the bullet.
    Lots of trouble? Yes. But I will feel more secure when breaking the
    trigger.
     
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    The Paki is fine; the Indian is not.
     
  4. mkh100

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    Where have you seen the czeck? Samco used to have S&B czech corrosive, but it dried up almost instantly when Aim ran out of SA. It was fine ammo, though you had to clean the rifle due to corrosion potential.

    What about the Nigerian ? Who has that ?
     
  5. casio02478

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    I saw the nigerian and czech in my local gun shop around nashville.
     
  6. kfranz

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    That is not correct.
     
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    If the Indian surplus 308 has proven of adequate quality and accuracy for you, then you have been far luckier than I and my friends have been.

    :)
     
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    The Indian Ammo dated in the 70's is good ammo, that dated in the 90's is crapola and dangerous.
     
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    70's vintage is where it's at.
     
  10. ATAShooter

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    I look at it like this... you get what you pay for. If you want a bang - bang combat round that just hits center of mass, then it's for you. If you are looking for groups and super precision, then you need to look at a different solution.
     
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    Cool. :)

    Where can I find some?
     
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    +1 rbernie about indian. I have had the brass crack while just chambering the round.
     
  13. nobody_special

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    lamazza, what was the headstamp on that cracked case?
     
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    Casio,

    Which Nashville gun shop has the ammo?

    Thanks,

    Drakejake
    Nashville
     
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    Headstamp OFV 02 7.62 M80
     
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    Thanks lamazza. That looks like a 2002 batch. This fits with what I've heard, that the recent stuff is problematic, the 70's stuff is ok.
     
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    Nigerian 7.62 Ammo

    A few years ago I saw a gun shop had Nigerian 308 for sale priced pretty cheap. There was a box someone had opened and I saw the headstamp was Hirtenberger (Austrian manufacture). This isn't NATO spec (about 100 fps faster but fine ammo. I don't know if the current Nigerian is the same but it might be worth a look before you buy.
     
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    Just be careful guys. I would hate for any of you to get hurt using some of the questionable stuff out there. At DSA we get rifles come back to us now and then after a "kaboom" from running some of the really bad surplus ammo out there. So far most of the time it turns out to be Indian ammo at fault, although there have been other types. FALs are tough guns, and ours are really tough. It takes a lot to blow one up, but some of that ammo can do it. I am sure Springfield Armory and ArmaLite have had similar experiences with their .308 caliber rifles. One has to wonder what the conditions were like in the factory where some of this stuff was made. I have speculated it might be a case of sabotage with some of the Indian stuff, if perhaps the factory workers were sympathetic with the Pakistani side of the Kashmir dispute. Of course it could just be low standards at a particular facility/time.

    John
     
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    I have been relying on SA surplus and have paid about $180 per case, if memory serves. What are the prices for Czech and Nigerian?

    Drakejake
     
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    I have some ofv 96, 97 that I was afraid to shoot after reading all the stuff posted on here. Went out and protected my face and took a couple shoots. It was fine. Looked over every one and 1 or 2 looked a little crooked, buts thats it. Maybe I just got a "good" batch?
     
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    About the best I've found is Portugese. But I can't find it anymore. Thank goodness I stocked up on 3000 rounds.
     
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    308 hirtenberger

    I bought about 1500 rds of hirt. tracer a couple yrs ago and it works well!
     
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    I hear the Aussie is great also, but It's getting near impossible to find.

    BTW, guys, Most countries have a "shelf life" for their war reserve ammo. I would imagine that the countries that use the 7.62X51 in their machine guns, will be releasing more of it in a few years as current war reserves come up on expiration date.

    Whenever they buy a new lot, they sell off their oldest lot.
     
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    Must have been a while since you bought SA. :)
    I bought a case for my Dad last year right before it dried up. ~$260 a case total I think. The battlepack prices were nuts. Don't even see it anymore.
     
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    Last SA that I bought was Oct., '06. $189 per case of 980 rounds.
    5 cases.

    Should've bought 5 more.

    Should've bought the LC (M118LR I think) stuff that I had in my hands and set back down.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
     
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