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308 vs 30-30

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Austin97, Oct 21, 2011.

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What should I get?

Poll closed Jan 18, 2012.
  1. 30-30

    36.8%
  2. 308

    63.8%
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  1. Austin97

    Austin97 member

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    Want to know which is better for brush country.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Moderator Staff Member

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    Howdah Pistol
     
  3. valnar

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    What is a mile away from the brush on any sides?
     
  4. mljdeckard

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    I consider the 30-30 an open sights cartridge. If I were in brush country, and I knew I wasn't going to use the rifle for anything else, I would use a 30-30. My perception is also that pretty much all 30-30s are saddle guns, which you might lash to your saddle horn, and they might take more abuse than a rifle you just carry. I was mocked by my old cowboy friends for buying precision bolt rifles, because I would never use them to pack and hunt cowboy style.

    My alternative method to have it both ways is a carbine with peep-through mounts. I have seen some guys rent their clothing over such a blasphemous idea, but my dad's old Remington 760 in .257 Roberts, with peep-through mounts and a vanilla scope gives me a gun for brush or open country. Just sayin'.
     
  5. heeler

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    The .308 is one of my very favorite deer cartridges.
    I currently hunt on two different ranches.
    One is a wooded area in which the shots are almost never over 100 yards and truthfully less than that more times than not.
    There I carry my trusty Marlin 336 in 30-30 and it has been death on hogs and deer everytime.
    When I go to the brush country of south Texas I usually have my .308 Remington Mohawk carbine or one of my .243's because there are plenty of places that you can shoot a very long way if your inclined to and the 30-30 is out of it's element there more times than not.
     
  6. mgmorden

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    Either is fine. I own two .30-30's and a .308 and have hunted with all 3 rifles.

    The concept of a "brush" gun where you're talking about literally shooting through brush is mostly a myth. A hit on a limb or the like will deflect any bullet. Brush or not, you still need a clear shot. Now, in the brush your visibility range will be limited, and in that regard both will perform fine at those ranges.

    .30-30 will recoil a little less. .308 is more versatile if you reload.

    And despite what people say, if you want to mount a scope .30-30's work fine with them :) (they work fine with irons too if you're inclined to use them). My Marlin 336 has always worn them, and has never spent any time inside of a saddle (heck I've never even set foot on a horse in my life - just have no interest :)). You don't have to be retro for the .30-30 to still be a good hunting choice.
     
  7. jmr40

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    While either will do the job at close range the 308 will do a lot more without giving up anything to the 30-30. Basically the 308 will do anything the 30-30 will do, but the reverse is not true.
     
  8. jhnrckr

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    i have heard time and time again that the 30-30 is the best round for busting through brush. My interpretation of brush busting is the 30-30 wont be as easily deflected by grass, bushes, twigs etc as compared to some other round. I am not sure if there is any science to that but I keep hearing it over and over.
     
  9. MrSpiffy

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    jhnrckr, the 30-30 lever guns tend to be better in brush because they're typically a shorter firearm. They're nice and compact for wandering through brush and trees. Bolt-action guns tend to be a little longer for better accuracy (There are exceptions on both sides.) But, I highly doubt that being a good brush gun has anything to do with the bullet going through brush any better than any other cartridge.
     
  10. Tadracket

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    You say "Brush Gun" I assume you mean close quarters. 30/30 all the way. Best brush gun ever made. Now if you want to make that game larger than deer size and still be brush, go with a 45/70.
    Those are a hoot and a holler to shoot.
     
  11. Cosmoline

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    Remember there's a difference between the firearm and the cartridge. That gets confusing in this case when 99% of the time people associate the .30 WCF with light leverguns and the .308 with heavier bolt actions. But there are bolt action .30-30's and lever action .308's.

    If we're talking cartridges, the .30-30 is a notch less powerful than the .308 and has fewer options in bullet weight for factory loads. But it will recoil a bit less and have a bit less blast and flash. The .30-30 is also restricted to FP or RN for most factory loads, which limits its long range effectiveness. But the leverevolutions have helped in this respect.
     
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  12. 303tom

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    That works for me, heck they are both 7.62x51`s, just one is a R.
     
  13. CONNEX 3300

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    I have both and use both in the brush. I personally prefer the .308 but the 30-30 is fine. Depends on which guns you get them in, what animals you hunt, and how far you mean by brush. I have a marlin 336 with open sights that I used on hogs with great success, it was a good gun. But then I "upgraded" to a converted saiga .308 that works even better.
    If you have a long heavy single shot 30-30 with a scope vs. a short lever action or semi auto .308, the .308 is better. But a lever 3030 is better than a long scoped bolt .308

    Mostly depends on what the gun is. Not so much the caliber
     
  14. DM~

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    I agree 100% and will add,

    There's NO SUCH THING as the 30-30 shooting better through brush than any other similar cartridge. ALL bullets can and ARE deflected, even by a single twig.

    So, buy a 30-30 because you like the gun it's chambered in, not because the 30-30 is better at "anything" over a 308 Win...

    DM
     
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    What's the longest range you think you might take a shot at?

    The .30-30 is good out to about 150 yards.
     
  16. rcmodel

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    Used to be an old wives tail.
    Now it's an Internet rumor.

    In any case, it isn't true at all.

    rc
     
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    At must "brush" ranges, the caliber isn't going to make a big difference. A deer shot with a 30/30 will be just as dead as one shot with a .308. Use whichever rifle suits you best. I have more than a few deer rifles, but if I am going to hunt walkabout style in dense woods, I will carry my open sighted Winchester 94. Nothing is as nice to carry as a light, short lever gun. They also point very instinctively, more like a shotgun than a rifle.
     
  18. d2wing

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    Between a BLR .308 and a 94 30-30. I take the 30-30 even though the .308 is the better cartridge, because the .308 kicks much harder and is not needed at the range a 30-30 is good. However if there is even a chance of a 200 yard or longer shot, the .308 is much better especially in a light bolt action. In other words it depends.
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    Maybe split the difference with a Savage 99 in .300 Savage.
     
  20. BMF500

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    The .308 is more versitile and if you must have a lever gun, you can find them in .308 too.
     
  21. montanaoffroader

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    If you are only going to have the one rifle, I would go with the .308 just because it is more versatile. More ammo options, more power downrange. The .30-30 is a fine cartridge, it just doesn't have quite as much oomph as the .308.

    If you own more than one rifle, then one of them should be a .30-30. I have shot most of my deer at less than 100 yards, and mostly with a Marlin .30-30. I like the rifle because it is reasonably light and handles very well.

    Best of luck with your choice. :)
     
  22. Frozen North

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    A lever is a good brush gun because they are quick shooting and fast handling. In real brush and swamp country, it is common to come very near to stepping on a deer before they jump and run. You may get a second, or even third shot off if you can feed the rounds to the gun and get back on target fast enough. Iron sights and red dots are a must.

    That being said, my next brush gun will be a Saiga .308 with a 16'' barrel. That's even quicker and more handy than a lever. :D

    The only gun I know of that will really mow brush and still be somewhat accurate is a 12 gauge shooting heavy slugs. Several guys I hunt with use a pump shotgun on the drives.
     
  23. Purgatory

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    Can anyone give the cartridge measurement of the .30-30, please?

    .30-06 = 7.62x63

    .308 = 7.62x51

    .30-30 = 7.62x ?

    Just sparked my curiosity is all.

    Here is a pic of the .223, .30-30 and .308 side by side.

    http://www.buckhuntersblog.com/winchester-30-30-americas-deer-cartridge
     
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  24. Robert

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    It is pretty much 7.62x51R. Yes, that is correct, 7.62x51R
     
  25. 788Ham

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    Hey Cosmoline, you beat me to it pard. That is what I was going to suggest also, that `99 might be a couple inches longer, but the smackdown is better in the .300 cartridge than the 30-30!
     
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