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.32 ACP Carbines

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by hatzing, Sep 8, 2013.

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  1. hatzing

    hatzing Member

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    Has a .32 ACP Carbine ever been produced? And if so who makes them, how much do they usually go for?
     
  2. RainDodger

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    I have to ask... why would anyone make one of those?

    In answer to your question, I have never heard of one. Ever.
     
  3. Gtscotty

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    I've never seen one. It seems like a .32 acp carbine would be about on par with a .22 lr or .22 mag carbine for most purposes, except for turning money into noise... for that use the .32 carbine would be far superior.
     
  4. swampcrawler

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    Doesn't Keltec make one?
     
  5. YZ

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    The closest I can think of would be the Skorpion folder made in Czechoslovakia. It was imported here in a semiauto form, but also without the stock.
     
  6. hatzing

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    I was just wandering because of a fan of smaller caliber weapons thanks for the replies though. Not to sure if Keltec makes one I'll look into it.
     
  7. YZ

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    No Keltec does not. I doubt anyone does in the US.
     
  8. barnetmill

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    Years ago there were single shot rifles and perhaps others made in .32 rimfire and I think centerfires like .32 colt or S&W (We are not discussing the 32-20 here). There were intended for small game and perhaps shooting in the backyard.
    Other than that Czech subgun and a .32 long auto subgun used by the french I know of no .32 ACP carbines/rifles. I would like to have one and might someday make one up. With adapters .32 ACP can be fired in 30-06 and other .30 cal rifles. It is quieter and requires a more modest backstop than 30-06 for indoor or backyard practice.
     
  9. rondog

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    A buddy of mine has an 1892(?)Marlin levergun that was a .32 rimfire. Many, many years ago he had a centerfire firing pin made for it. Man, I think we were in Jr. High still! But IIRC, it's more of a rifle length than carbine. We only shot it a few times, but I remember it being surprisingly accurate.

    But it's not .32acp.
     
  10. Jim Watson

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    Pre-WWI there were .32 ACP carbines by Dreyse and Tirmax.
    Pretty scarce collectors items by now.
    I have seen a Dreyse at a gun show but the Tiramax only in pictures.

    I think there was a later European .32 carbine that resembled an AR15 but I cannot find a listing for it.

    Google, man, Google.
    The Armi Jaeger AP 74
    $265 in 1985, about the same as a Browning or H&K 270, less than a Weatherby .22 auto.
     
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  11. Sam Cade

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    You can have a TC in .32 ACP if you can locate a barrel.
     
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    Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and Dreyse Light Rifle .32

    Both are pretty hard to find and I've been looking for the first one for a while.

    As for why I want one: I've been cursed with Grandpa's WW2-capture Walther PPK and I own a pistol and carbine version of every caliber I own (except this one).
     
  13. JShirley

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    The Skorpion that YZ mentioned is the closest thing I know of.

    Of course, a 7.62x25mm is also a .32, but not "ACP". If we had saner laws, I'd have had a little 7.62x25mm carbine with a 12" barrel years ago...

    John
     
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    I had an Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and sold it 15 years ago because I could not find a nother magazine for it. It was a well made (out of "pot metal" and somewhat fun replicant AR SP-1 . Pretty quiet too, like a standard velocity .22lr.:cool:

    here is a picture of one
    http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=123&t=390038
     
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    About 30 years ago Squires Bingham, a Phillipine gun company, made a little .32acp carbine that looked like a little submachine gun. I nener saw one in person.
     
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    There have been a few 32 ACP rifles made with Remington rimfire actions. It can be done by a well trained machinist but more easily done by a gunsmith. Ed Harris has written about his rifle and the loads he worked up for it.
     
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    Kudos to Tim Watson...The Tirmax was a very well made 32ACP carbine made in Belgium in the early 20th century. I have a friend who owns one, they're quite rate in the United States.

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    Does my 30-06 Winchester M-70 with 20" barrel shooting 70 gr .312" (32acp) bullets pushed by 15 gr of SR4759 for 1500 fps count?

    Probably a little fast for .32acp ;)
     
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    BWANA JOHN, I think you have the right idea. I don't know why similar loads with a 100gr Speer Plinker could not be made and hand-cycled through any of the G3 or FAL clones. They're not exactly carbines, nor are the loads exactly .32 ACP. But I suspect there'd be a shade more utility.
     
  22. ugaarguy

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    I think you could modify and AR-15 to .32 ACP pretty easily. As Bwana John notes .32 ACP bullets are .312" diameter, and can be pushed through a standard .308" diameter 30 caliber barrel. I'd wager they'd work better in an Eastern European / Russian 30 caliber barrel which actually is .312" dimater.

    My thoughts are to start with an existing 9mm AR-15 bolt and modify the extractor and bolt face for .32 ACP. I don't think that would require too much work because the .32 ACP is semi-rimmed, so the base diameter isn't that far off from 9x19.

    Next, get a 7.62x39 AR-15 barrel blank, have the breech face machined to match your bolt, and then cut a .32 ACP chamber of course.

    I see two ways to go about the magazine. One is take an existing .32 ACP magazine like that of the Czech Skorpion and weld on a sheet metal block at the top to fit the AR-15 mag well, or have a mag well block machined from a metal or polymer billet so you could use unmodified magazines. The other is to take the Black Dog Machine / CMMG pattern magazine and slightly scale it up for .32 ACP. I think a good machinist could mill such a mag out of Delrin pretty easily. You could probably even use off the shelf BDM / CMMG .22 LR mag springs with an appropriate follower and slightly reduced capacity for the additional weight of the .32 ACP rounds.

    It wouldn't be a cheap project, but it would probably be far less expensive than tracking down one of the rare carbines already mentioned.
     
  23. CapnMac

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    One of my few firearms regrets is not buying the SA Suomi carbine my fave FFL had picked up at a show in Houston (probably a pre-production Vector Arms). I turned it down--stupidly--for not wanting to add 7.62x25 to my ammo census.

    Oh yeah, with a drum and coffin mag, he was selling for $375. mui mas stupido.

    Seems like there is still an outfit making SA PPsH and/or PPd in 7.62x25, which would make them ".32" carbines, just not "acp"

    If Marlin were still making Camp Carbines, that would be a spiffy format for .32acp--Colt 1903 mags would be easy enough to use as a model. But, a Camp in 7.62x25 using CZ-52 mags would be even better.
     
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    Did the French Unique brand make a .32 ACP version of their combo gun, a .22LR pistol that could be turned into a rifle much like todays mag tech type uppers for 1911 and Glocks?

    I occasionally shoot .32 ACP from a Savage 110 using a chamber adapter.

    What with todays CNC stuff and all I am sort of surprised that some machining or firearms student has not made a .32 ACP Petersen device for say the Mosin Nagant crowd.

    Had a chance at a SB AR 15 ish rifle in college and blew it off as I had nothing else in .32 ACP at the time. Ammo was much more expensive than .22LR and as a student that made a difference.

    -kBob
     
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