Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by hatzing, Sep 8, 2013.
Has a .32 ACP Carbine ever been produced? And if so who makes them, how much do they usually go for?
I have to ask... why would anyone make one of those?
In answer to your question, I have never heard of one. Ever.
I've never seen one. It seems like a .32 acp carbine would be about on par with a .22 lr or .22 mag carbine for most purposes, except for turning money into noise... for that use the .32 carbine would be far superior.
Doesn't Keltec make one?
The closest I can think of would be the Skorpion folder made in Czechoslovakia. It was imported here in a semiauto form, but also without the stock.
I was just wandering because of a fan of smaller caliber weapons thanks for the replies though. Not to sure if Keltec makes one I'll look into it.
No Keltec does not. I doubt anyone does in the US.
Years ago there were single shot rifles and perhaps others made in .32 rimfire and I think centerfires like .32 colt or S&W (We are not discussing the 32-20 here). There were intended for small game and perhaps shooting in the backyard.
Other than that Czech subgun and a .32 long auto subgun used by the french I know of no .32 ACP carbines/rifles. I would like to have one and might someday make one up. With adapters .32 ACP can be fired in 30-06 and other .30 cal rifles. It is quieter and requires a more modest backstop than 30-06 for indoor or backyard practice.
A buddy of mine has an 1892(?)Marlin levergun that was a .32 rimfire. Many, many years ago he had a centerfire firing pin made for it. Man, I think we were in Jr. High still! But IIRC, it's more of a rifle length than carbine. We only shot it a few times, but I remember it being surprisingly accurate.
But it's not .32acp.
Pre-WWI there were .32 ACP carbines by Dreyse and Tirmax.
Pretty scarce collectors items by now.
I have seen a Dreyse at a gun show but the Tiramax only in pictures.
I think there was a later European .32 carbine that resembled an AR15 but I cannot find a listing for it.
Google, man, Google.
The Armi Jaeger AP 74
$265 in 1985, about the same as a Browning or H&K 270, less than a Weatherby .22 auto.
You can have a TC in .32 ACP if you can locate a barrel.
Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and Dreyse Light Rifle .32
Both are pretty hard to find and I've been looking for the first one for a while.
As for why I want one: I've been cursed with Grandpa's WW2-capture Walther PPK and I own a pistol and carbine version of every caliber I own (except this one).
The Skorpion that YZ mentioned is the closest thing I know of.
Of course, a 7.62x25mm is also a .32, but not "ACP". If we had saner laws, I'd have had a little 7.62x25mm carbine with a 12" barrel years ago...
I had an Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and sold it 15 years ago because I could not find a nother magazine for it. It was a well made (out of "pot metal" and somewhat fun replicant AR SP-1 . Pretty quiet too, like a standard velocity .22lr.
here is a picture of one
There is one for sale on GB!!
About 30 years ago Squires Bingham, a Phillipine gun company, made a little .32acp carbine that looked like a little submachine gun. I nener saw one in person.
There have been a few 32 ACP rifles made with Remington rimfire actions. It can be done by a well trained machinist but more easily done by a gunsmith. Ed Harris has written about his rifle and the loads he worked up for it.
While tryin to find the answer to this Q
i stumbled across a gentleman
who converts Luger08 into 7.62x25 carbines ...
.... and into .45s ...andandand.
Wow. Just wow.
Kudos to Tim Watson...The Tirmax was a very well made 32ACP carbine made in Belgium in the early 20th century. I have a friend who owns one, they're quite rate in the United States.
Does my 30-06 Winchester M-70 with 20" barrel shooting 70 gr .312" (32acp) bullets pushed by 15 gr of SR4759 for 1500 fps count?
Probably a little fast for .32acp
BWANA JOHN, I think you have the right idea. I don't know why similar loads with a 100gr Speer Plinker could not be made and hand-cycled through any of the G3 or FAL clones. They're not exactly carbines, nor are the loads exactly .32 ACP. But I suspect there'd be a shade more utility.
I think you could modify and AR-15 to .32 ACP pretty easily. As Bwana John notes .32 ACP bullets are .312" diameter, and can be pushed through a standard .308" diameter 30 caliber barrel. I'd wager they'd work better in an Eastern European / Russian 30 caliber barrel which actually is .312" dimater.
My thoughts are to start with an existing 9mm AR-15 bolt and modify the extractor and bolt face for .32 ACP. I don't think that would require too much work because the .32 ACP is semi-rimmed, so the base diameter isn't that far off from 9x19.
Next, get a 7.62x39 AR-15 barrel blank, have the breech face machined to match your bolt, and then cut a .32 ACP chamber of course.
I see two ways to go about the magazine. One is take an existing .32 ACP magazine like that of the Czech Skorpion and weld on a sheet metal block at the top to fit the AR-15 mag well, or have a mag well block machined from a metal or polymer billet so you could use unmodified magazines. The other is to take the Black Dog Machine / CMMG pattern magazine and slightly scale it up for .32 ACP. I think a good machinist could mill such a mag out of Delrin pretty easily. You could probably even use off the shelf BDM / CMMG .22 LR mag springs with an appropriate follower and slightly reduced capacity for the additional weight of the .32 ACP rounds.
It wouldn't be a cheap project, but it would probably be far less expensive than tracking down one of the rare carbines already mentioned.
One of my few firearms regrets is not buying the SA Suomi carbine my fave FFL had picked up at a show in Houston (probably a pre-production Vector Arms). I turned it down--stupidly--for not wanting to add 7.62x25 to my ammo census.
Oh yeah, with a drum and coffin mag, he was selling for $375. mui mas stupido.
Seems like there is still an outfit making SA PPsH and/or PPd in 7.62x25, which would make them ".32" carbines, just not "acp"
If Marlin were still making Camp Carbines, that would be a spiffy format for .32acp--Colt 1903 mags would be easy enough to use as a model. But, a Camp in 7.62x25 using CZ-52 mags would be even better.
Did the French Unique brand make a .32 ACP version of their combo gun, a .22LR pistol that could be turned into a rifle much like todays mag tech type uppers for 1911 and Glocks?
I occasionally shoot .32 ACP from a Savage 110 using a chamber adapter.
What with todays CNC stuff and all I am sort of surprised that some machining or firearms student has not made a .32 ACP Petersen device for say the Mosin Nagant crowd.
Had a chance at a SB AR 15 ish rifle in college and blew it off as I had nothing else in .32 ACP at the time. Ammo was much more expensive than .22LR and as a student that made a difference.
get a contender bbl and do it that way.it is very quiet out of a longer barrel. you can get caliber reducers to fit in 30 cal rifles.shoots to the same spot at 200 yds as 308 does.
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