Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by pat86323, Jul 25, 2006.
My advise; load up with ball ammo to insure a reasonable amount of penetration.
Despite the ill advised comments of one poster, the 32 ACP is just fine for self defense from the little Kel-Tec. Taken in the context of what it is, a deep concealment gun, it beats no gun. Let's not forget that the cartridge was designed by John M. Browning for small defensive pistols, and was used by police in many European countries for many years. It's not a 9x19, or a 45 ACP, or a (insert favorite service pistol round here), but you undrstand that. If you can find an equally good deal on a P3AT that would be better for self defense. However, if I needed something that size and a good deal on a P-32 was all I could afford I'd carry one. Though, if you can afford something with even a little more oomph like a little 380 or a S&W J-Frame in .38 Special I'd go that way.
Using the cartridge comparison tool, originally posted in another thread at, http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/testing/testing.aspx#, I found the following penetration/expansion data on Winchester Ranger "T" Series Loads in 380 95gr & 9mm 147gr - I used the 147gr since it was the only standard pressure "T" Series load listed.
Bare Gelatin 7.65"/.65" 13.9"/.65"
4 layer denim 7.95"/.64" 14.5"/.66"
Heavy cloth 7.85/.64 14"/.66"
Wallboard 15"/.36" 15"/.67"
Other than shooting thru wallboard the 380 provides almost identical expansion to the 9mm with about half the penetration. Still at almost 8" of penetration with expansion to .64" it's a respectable round, IMO.
only as a back-up to my regular CCW piece; a .45ACP
For I fear the situation may occur that I would have to use it , and lets face it even a crap 38 spec is way better than a .32 auto
is as low as I go anymore, I don't care how many books / stats / say it works ok...... it isn't for me.
.32 ACP works the majority of the time. It works because the handgun has a reputation as a weapon capable of inflicting mortal injuries. 32 works most of the time when you hit the target. It works most of the time when you miss the target. Injuries inflicted by good COM hits from 32 ACP may cause death after a while, but they will not cause mechanical incapacitation quickly. Only serendipitous CNS hits will do that. Of course, that's true of any handgun, maybe of any gun. But when BGs are "incapactiated" by handguns, they're incapacitated either by fear or by demoralization. 45 ACP may be little better than 32 ACP at causing mechanical incapacitation, but injuries inflicted by 45 ACP may be considerably more demoralizing and consequently more effective.
I tried a friend's Kel Tec - it was completely reliable for the 100 rounds or so I put through it, but I found the weird sights to be worthless. I was getting basketball-sized groups at 25 yards but they were about 2 feet low and a foot and a half to the left . . . and judging by the holes in the paper some of the slugs may have been tumbling.
.32 ACP can rimlock. And here's a THR thread on rimlock.
for defense. Just remember, it hasn't been that long ago that the
.32 S&W Long and the .32 Colt New Police were considered quality law
Mind you, if I'm going somewhere where I feel a real need to be armed, my Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro resides firmly on my hip, and my P-32 assumes the role of backup.
I've heard that someone has tested some of these rounds in gelatin before
The .32ACP can penetrate to 12" of gelatin and expand to around 40 caliber. The .380ACP is more 'robust' in this sense (barrel length being the same as the .32ACP, etc) in that the same or better performance can be had from a wider variety of bullets. In the case of the .380, you can buy this factory loaded. In the case of the .32, you will have to modify Hornady XTPs and handload to get it all to work.
A decent 9mm hollowpoint will do about 33.1 to 35.7 grams, and 470 to 522 PSI, without +P ammo.
A decent .45 hollowpoint will do 44.7 to 49.2 grams and 573 to 664 PSI, once again without going +P.
A .40 caliber HP is 42.0 to 49.7 grams and 605 to 728 PSI.
But those are using the current models, which aren't quite done yet. All wound mass numbers should be slightly higher, though not by much. It shouldn't be a very significant difference at all.
Any of the major calibers is a huge step up from .32 ACP's power. A well placed shot from a .32 may kill someone eventually, but only a shot directly to the central nervous system will have a good chance of stopping them before they can kill you.
Is it a, "9.25x29 Pachyderm Super," with the ability to to stop charging rhinos? Of course not.
What it is is a handy, easily carried and controlled cartridge which offers 68% one-shot stopping power.
As some said, it's better than nothing. I wouldn't hesitate to carry a nice PPK or Manurhin in it. Remember, as a legally armed citizen, the burden is not to carry cannons capable of disassembling armored cars, but to use lethal force judiciously, when and only, if necessary.
to my BUG other than that and i'll pass.
pat86323-Reply for .32 acp
Honestly Pat I have never met you. But being concerned for your overall safety. You would be better served- [if you do not want to deal with recoil.] To get a .38 spec-easy to find at great price. Preferably a 4 inch barrel. Load it with Winchester 130gr +p sxt ammo. Great for self defense little or no recoil. If you want an auto-no recoil issues- stick w/9mm.
I am not trying to trash you on this at all. But a .32 acp is not a self defense weapon. It will get you into more trouble then out of trouble. ....
Take Care Buddy! Have a good evening!
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