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Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Buckeye63, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. lincen

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    If you have one of those laser bore sights you just stick it on the muzzle and aim. It should be fairly close to the point of impact. My S&W 686 plus is dead on with the laser, also my Kimber K6S. Even my Charter Arms Pitbull 9mm is very close to point of aim.
     
  2. lincen

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    I really like this handgun and hope Charter Arms will do the right thing. Remember Remington with the R51 fiasco a few years back, I sure do. Yet they finally made it right. On this one, if I get no satisfaction from the factory I’m just going to mill the rib myself and install a bead sight or adapt a old blade sight.
     
  3. lincen

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    To give you an idea, at 7 yards the point of aim was higher than the target, 6-8 inches from center, to hit anywhere near intended point of impact. Yet, for no more than it costs and the features I bought it for, 7 shot & 3” barrel, if they won’t fix it I will.
     
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  4. KevininPa

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    I hope that Charter works this problem out. I was having enough interest in this firearm to start pricing some reloading equipment. From what I've been reading about Charter in recent years, I believe that they will.
     
  5. TTv2

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    It's not the sight itself, it's the barrel shroud the front sight sits on. The shroud is too big, it needs to be smaller.

    The clear issue is Charter Arms has someone in assembly and QC who isn't looking at the finished product, doesn't have a perfect example somewhere to compare it to, and let it go.
     
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  6. lincen

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    I certainly agree that it is the barrel shroud/rib that is the problem. QC should at least compare point of aim to point of impact. Feel like sending them my universal laser bore sight.
     
  7. TTv2

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    Picked mine up today, the shroud has the same issue @lincen' s has and it's not just the top of it that's oversize, the bottom of the shroud is also oversize, but not as much as the top of the shroud is. Not that it matter that the bottom is also big, it doesn't affect shooting, but visually it's just the spot where the radius on the front of the frame ends and where the bottom of the shroud should begin... the shroud is sticking out below that point because it's oversize.

    Shroud aside, I shot some .32 ACP today and it shot it quite well, groupings were okay, but like others it's shooting low. So, this is the second .32 H&R Mag chambered revolver that I own that shoots .32 ACP well, thus I'm going to go on a limb here and say if you're looking at buying a .32 revolver to shoot ACP in, do not get a .327, get a .32 Magnum.

    I'll post a pic of my targets today.

    The only issue I encountered was when cocking for a SA shot, the cylinder would at times not advance. No issues with this in DA, so when shooting .32 Mag and S&W Long, I'm going to keep an eye on that to see if that issue continues or if it's just when shooting .32 ACP this happens. Also, the fiber optic front sight... the part that it fits in to, it seems like the top of the post that the rod fits in to doesn't have much meat holding the rod in place. It's not a heavy recoiling gun, so it may never fall out, but typically these fiber optic rods fall out and given the light weigh of the gun, IDK how long it would last with full house .32 Mag over a long period of time.

    That's the only thing the Ruger does better with the SP101, the fiber optic fronts are rock solid.

    Cylinder throats are a consistent .313", that's bigger than I'd like, my ideal throat diameter is .312", but .313" is smaller than the .314" on my .327 SP101, so I'll take what I can get. There are .313" factory lead bullets available in 115 grain and Mattsbullets is the only maker of a hollow base 100 grain wadcutter that I know of and the hollow base should expand to seal the gasses in the chamber than throat to prevent any blow by, but my favorite bullet is a 94 grain that unfortunately is .312 and will lead the bore if I shoot it in this.

    But with how well this shoots .32 ACP, I could see myself shooting mostly that. The Berry's 71 grain bullets can be bought for 5 cents/round when on sale at Midway. Then the Hornady XTP bullets would be perfect for .32 Mag velocities, so I figure I'll be seeing how the 85 and 100 grain XTP's shoot in this when I get around to loading it.

    I like the grips, they fit my hand well and I was considering getting the traditional wood Charter grips that don't have the finger grooves, but I feel these grips are just fine. I would like to see some checkering on the sides of them tho as if my hands had any moisture on them, it wouldn't be any fun to shoot. It points quickly and naturally for me, I'm sure the grip shape helps and the light weight too.

    The DA trigger fires quicker than the SP101 and by that I mean the hammer drops when the trigger is further forward than it does on the SP101. That said, the pull feels heavier than my now dry fired many times SP101, but when I pull the triggers in DA, the front sight on the Charter holds still better than the SP. Maybe that's a barrel length issue, the SP's barrel is 4.2" while the Charter's is 3", but I think it's just the longer trigger pull and shape of the grips.

    The SA pull is a tad better than the SP101, but the real difference is because the spring is lighter in the Charter, it is very easy to cock the hammer while the SP101 is downright frusterating to cock at times. You have to make a conscious effort to cock the hammer the right way with the SP101, otherwise your thumb is either going to slip off or you're going to have to put a lot of extra force cocking that hammer. With the Charter, I can use the pad of my thumb to cock the hammer, with the SP101 I literally have to curl the knuckle of my thumb around the hammer and jerk it down. That throws my aim off and takes extra time to realign the sights, but the Charter it's like the front sight never moves; I am able to shoot the Charter much faster in both DA and SA vs the SP101.

    And this is with the Adj sight SP101 w/ fiber optic front, not the traditional fixed rear and ramp front, which I can't even imagine how tough that is to shoot with. After having both these revolvers, I'll never touch an SP101 again.

    So, visual issues aside (forgot to mention the top of the crane is not nitrided) the Charter just feels better to me. Once the POA issue gets fixed, this is going to be one of the best .32 revolvers on the market today. I can't speak to the .327 LCR, I haven't shot one, but it's neck and neck between those two.
     
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  8. mnrivrat

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    My avatar shows the Taurus Model 731 Total Titanium revolver in .32 H&R . I have never felt under gunned in all the years I have carried this 17 oz gun, and it has never given me anything but good service. It is the most accurate 2 inch barreled gun I have ever shot, and extremely controllable using the 85 grain Hornady SD rounds.
    I see no reason for me to go to the .327 magnum gun with its increased muzzle blast and what I consider a harder gun to shoot in rapid fire do to a slight loss of controllability. I have no problem with those that prefer the .327 magnum, but for me I don't see the need to change from what I have. I am fond of the .32 H&R round.
     
  9. lincen

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    Received my $25 rebate check from Charter Arms today along with signed letter thanking me for the purchase and encouraging me to call if I had any questions . Also received a very nice free t-shirt from them !

    I hope to call them about the front sight issue......
     
  10. SteadyD

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    Let us know what they say. I missed the FedEx delivery today so I still don’t have mine back yet.
     
  11. SteadyD

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    Mine arrived today. They shipped it back without the plastic hard case... Why? They fixed everything except that it still shoots low. The repair sheet says they fixed point of impact by replacing the barrel. In order to hit the bullseye I have to leave the entire fiber optic insert above the notch in the top strap. No gun I’ve ever owned has sights regulated like this. If this is how they intend it to be aimed I think it’s a big mistake.

    I will contact them later this week.
     
  12. Monster Zero

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    What I don't get is, obviously Charter doesn't test fire each revolver before it ships. If they did, someone would notice what everyone out the in the world is noticing: They shoot low.

    Charter needs to get this under control (recall all shipped units, and replace them with a new, improved Professional II?) before they get branded an Edsel company.
     
  13. TTv2

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    Is the top of the barrel shroud flush with the frame? If not, they're clearly not aware of the issue.

    I agree, but I'm sure they do a test fire to make sure it functions, they're just not aiming the revolvers to see if the POA matches the POI.

    Right now it's apparent to me their "fix" for this issue is replace the barrel (that doesn't need replacing) with another one that has an oversized shroud that does nothing to fix the aim point issue. They're thinking it's a batch of bad barrels and it's not, the barrels are shooting good groups, it's the front sight being too high from the shroud causing the problems.
     
  14. EmeraldCoaster

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    Donna (Charter Arms CS Mgr) is sending shipping box for return of both Professional and Bulldog blacknitride models. Double-checked revolvers with boresights...consistent with the “low” POI’s. The Crimson Trace LG325 grip proved interesting. The CT beam lines up with the Professional’s sights (i.e., ~ 8” above POI @ 7 yrds), but the CT matches the boresight (i.e., POI) when installed on the Bulldog. Unfortunately the Bulldog POI is so low that the gun hides the CT dot from view. Hope the CA smiths can do some magic on the two.
     
  15. TTv2

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    I encourage all owners of the Professional to take a picture of where the barrel shroud meets the frame like Lincen did in post 168 and email that picture (and a picture of the stock photo) to Charter Arms customer service email address, which is: [email protected]

    If we send them enough emails of the same issue, they'll eventually understand what the problem is and fix it.
     
  16. Monster Zero

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    So what's the concensus?

    Is it another Edsel?
     
  17. SteadyD

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    They’ve sent me a box to mail it back in. I just haven’t had time this week. I’ll report back once it returns. Man I hope they get it running right. It actually has a very nice DA trigger. It’s not a tuned Smith or a K6s, but it’s more than good enough to do the job.
     
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  18. TTv2

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    The DA trigger isn't better than the Rock Island M206 I have, but the SA is quite good on the Professional.

    What really has me liking the Professional so much tho is that it is so well balanced and points so naturally for me that I actually see myself carrying this gun in the future. I mainly bought it because after the .327 SP101 left such a bad taste in my mouth, I wanted another smaller, fairly light framed .32 revolver just to see if they would shoot better. The Professional was perfect at 22 oz, 7 shots, and it has properly sized throats for shooting lead bullets.

    The Professional's groups that it shot were excellent... they were just 6 inches low from POA.

    To answer @Monster Zero's question, until I hear and see pictures of people getting their Professional with a properly made shroud, I'm unfortunately going to put the Edsel stamp on it. In my estimation, all Charter is doing is replacing the barrel/shroud assembly with others pulled off the production line thinking the issue is a bad barrel.
     
  19. SteadyD

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    I finally got mine mailed off. I’ll report back once I have some info. I hope they can get these running right!
     
  20. EmeraldCoaster

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    Turn around by Charter Arms’ gunsmith was pretty quick, though it took me a few weeks to get the two revolvers (Professional and Bulldog) back to the range. Sight adjustment on the Professional was readily apparent: F.O. base lowered with barrel rib shaved slightly. A test target (@ 25’) was provided by the company’s gunsmith.

    Shooting results improved with the Professional—only limited by trigger actuator. I tried the 6 o’clock sight alignment, but the POI was too low. I got better results using the center sight alignment...and tweaked it a bit high for best results. For the initial check at 7 yards, I used Georgia Arms .32 H&R 100g JHP. The .32 SWL rounds (PPU 98g LRN and Georgia Arms 85g JHP) worked well, too.

    My spouse is comfortable with the CT laser grips, and the adjustment made by Charter Arms gives her confidence in the new revolver.
     
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  21. TTv2

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    Good for you @EmeraldCoaster.

    The transfer bar on my Professional just broke while dry firing.

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  22. lincen

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    I've been traveling with work for the past month but am ready to modify my Charter Arms Professional so that the point of aim is closer to the point of impact. It will void the warranty but having been through the Remington R51 fiasco, I doubt they will fix all of these handguns. Having access to industrial machine tools and previous experience it should not take long and will certainly improve the accuracy. Planning to mill down the top rib of the barrel to lower the front sight.

    Has anybody got one of these that does NOT shoot low ?
     
  23. OneFreeTexan

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    My R 51 shoots great, no problems,, don’t know which issue it is.
     
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  24. SteadyD

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    Mine just came back from its second trip to Charter. They offered to replace it since it was the second time in, but I told them so long as this one was fixed I was fine getting it back. I’ll get it to the range sometime soon and report back.
     
  25. Jonesy814

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    So it looks like 3 members got one and they all have issues. At least they are consistent
     
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