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32 H&R mag/info/ammo

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Bob79, Oct 3, 2005.

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  1. Bob79

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    I called Georgia Arms today and currently they don't have any of the 100 grain 32 mag because of some complication getting the supplies from Speer. They said it should be available soon (several weeks) and they only have 85 grain right now, & it gets 1200 FPS (100 gr is 1100 FPS). So I ordered 100 rounds of the GA stuff to go with my incoming 100 rounds of Federal (80 85gr & 20 95 gr).

    I asked what barrel length they used for the numbers, and he said it was 7.5 inches, wow. I believe I read another post somewhere else here that they were also told GA used a 7.5 in barrel. Now I know there is no exact formula to figure how much FPS you lose, but a good educated guess is approx 50FPS reduction for every inch of barrel shorter. I've read this numerous times as a good "rule of thumb" to use, and I even compared it with some figures I found at www.handgunsmag.com/ammuniton/pocket_dynomite/ At this site the author used a 1 7/8 smith to fire some .38 ammo to see what the actual numbers were when using a short barrel.

    For example: Hydra shok+P (not nyclad) got an avg of 810 fps which is 187 on the energy side, and Federal lists it at 950/258. Winchester +P 130gr SXT got an avg of 825 for 196 energy, and Winchester says 925/247. Gold dot 125 gr +P got an avg of 825, which is 188 for energy, and Speer says it does 945/248. So you can see that the -50fps for every inch of barrel is a decent method to use.

    Anyways to compare to a 2" snub: using this I figured the GA 85 grain at 1200 FPS out of 7.5 inch barrel would be about 925/161. And the Federal 85 grain at 1100 FPS out a 4.5 inch barrel to be approx 975/179. So it looks like the loads are really similar in performance to one another. I plan to shoot both and see what I shoot better with, but on paper the Federal should be a little better. I still want to shoot the 100 grain stuff when they get it in though.

    It looks like the 32 HR mag really is almost equal to the .38+P round out of the short snubs, although the .38 still makes a bigger hole. I've got a 432 on the way, and it looks like it should fit the bill nice as its a little lighter than the 642/15 oz crop of S&W's, recoils less, and you get one more round. I'm not taking anything away from the 442, as thats almost what I ended up getting. But the 432 was cheaper (but yeah ammo is more), and I think I'm going to love the lower recoil. Oh yeah I even called S&W and they said that they have no plans to discontinue the 432/431 guns, and that they actually sell a decent amount of them. Now if more people would just make ammo for them!
     
  2. nero45acp

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    That and some speedloaders.



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  3. Bob79

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    Nero, doesn't the HKS 32-J work for the 432PD? I hope so, because I ordered one from Midway USA last night.

    Thanks.
     
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    Bob79, I missed the HKS 32-J. Yes, it should work. I'll have to order a couple myself. Thank you for the info!



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    We clocked one 100 gr GA .32 Mag coming out of my 1 7/8" barrel at 977 FPS at 15 ft from the muzzle. IIRC that came out to ~210 ft-lbs while the best .38 +P comes out around 213. Regular .38 Spec was about 189, again IIRC, it's been a while.
     
  6. Dollar An Hour

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    Feel?

    A friend is looking for a backpacking/camping lightweight snubby and is considering .22 WMR, .32 and .38 Spl.

    He thinks the .22 Mag is cheapest to shoot but I think it lacks power if you need to stop anything.

    How's the .32 feel as far as perceived recoil compared to a .38 out of a light snubnose?
     
  7. Bob79

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    Wow those are good numbers. Was that just one round, or did you fire & clock several rounds?

    I was just using a method that seemed fairly good for figuring the numbers. But if you got 977fps out of a 1 7/8 barrel that is great. I was asking if it was just one shot because that seems really high, how could the FPS only drop by 123 when the barrel they used was over 5 inches longer (to get 1100)?

    I'm not calling you a liar, so please don't mistake me when I ask. Because if their 100 grain stuff does perform like that, then I'll try to get my hands on some ASAP.

    The guy on the phone said that a lot of people like the 85gr they are selling now because it was hotter. But me personally I'd like to have the heavier 100gr, especially if it moves at 975+ :D
     
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    oops... :eek:
     
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    Bob, Unfortunately it was only one round, there was a guy there with a chrono and I asked him to run one through. I didn't want to push it. He was duly impressed. The only thing I know is my revolver has a really tight gap so that may have had something to do with it. I wasn't aware of the 85 Gr GA had, I've never seen it at their website. I don't think...

    Dollar, we just had a discussion on that here...

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158313

    :D

    I just went back to GA and I'm not seeing this 85 Gr, maybe it's a new offering they haven't posted yet?

    I thought it was 25 FPS per inch for pistols. That would work out almost exactly.
     
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    I was at the GA Arms factory store Friday. They simply ran out of 100gr bullets, so they loaded up some ammo w/85's. When they get more 100gr bullets in, they'll go back to the 100's. BTW, the display case was out of .32 H&R mag altogether. When I asked about some, the attendant said "well, I think we just made some in 85gr today, let me get you some".
    That's how I ended up w/4 baggies of 85gr .32 ammo.
    -David
     
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    Yeah like Cooke said, they said they didn't have the 100 grain in, and all they had was 85 grain. But you're right 280, they do not have the 85 gr stuff listed on their website.

    I'll have to check back with them in several weeks to see if they got 100 gr again, and pick up at least 100 rounds to give a try.

    Hopefully I'll have the 432 in my hands by this Friday as the gun shop in TN should have my payment by Weds at the very latest (mailed this past Sat). If the little 6-shot works out, I'll take it to the Smith to have the internals stoned and smoothed out to help the trigger pull, cause I know its gonna be heavy.

    I'll report back on what I think of it after I shoot it.
     
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    DANG!! I want to go too!!

    :D
     
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    I bought 200 GA Arms 100gr .32 H&RM's a month or two back for an intended 432 purchase and/or my 1895 Nagants. The pusher upped his price on the 432 - took a page from the oil companies, I suppose - so I tried a cylinderful in each of my Nagants... DON'T! It is hot - and, despite what some Nagant sellors will tell you, it is unsafe due to the spitting and the excessive swelling - which renders the cases not reloadable.

    Now - if it makes 1,000 fps from the 432, that is 211.5 ft-lb - or 1,269 ft-lb/cylinderfull. Try the Rem R38S12 158gr LHPSWC +P 'FBI loads', like I have in my 2" 10 - which chrono-ed 834 fps - and you'll get 243.5 ft-lb and 1218 ft-lb/cylinderfull. The thump should be a bit rougher in the so-fed 642 rather than the 432. The ammo is easier to come by - certainly, the 158gr LRN/LSWC loads by UMC, etc, will be the same price as cheap .22 Magnum, too.

    I have 186 of those 100gr GA Arms .32 H&RM's... and nothing to launch them with!

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    Stainz, check your PM's.
     
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    I like hearing this because it means people are buying it which means they'll make more and maybe other manufacturers will pick it up and it won't be such a tough to get / pricey ammo anymore.

    One thing I can ell you is they (at least GA) will not exceed SAAMI pressures related to the old steel .32 H&R Mag guns. It could be made hotter for the new guns but they're afraid (and rightly so) that someone will put too hot a round in an old gun and blow themselves up. Just FYI. I asked them if they had plans of making it hotter and they said it is as hot as SAAMI will allow.

    I have a few hundred rounds stashed away. :evil:

    and I'll bet I know what bob PM'd over to Stainz... :p

    Intersting numbers on that .38 +P BTW. Can you show the formula that you figured that out with? I have seen it before but don't have it to memory.
     
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    280-Are talking about what I posted in regards to the .38+P in the first post?

    If so, the ACTUAL figures were posted by that website from a man who shot the actual rounds out of a S&W 1 7/8" .38 snub. I think he fired 3-4 rounds of each type of ammo, then posted the FPS of each round. I added each FPS measurement together for each rouund then divided by the number of rounds to get the avg and thats the number I posted.

    Then I compared it (actual performance out of 1 7/8") with what the manufacturer lists the bullet's performance at, to show the reduction in peformance with a short barrel. Make sense or no?

    If you're talking about the estimate of taking off 50FPS for every inch of barrel reduction, I read that numerous times. And if you look at the figures from my first post, its a fairly decent method to use.
     
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    Hi Bob,

    Actually, i was refering to the .38 +P "FBI" round stainz had listed, sounds pretty potent. But still 1269 ft-lbs per cylinder beats 1218 :D

    I don't know, somehow I thought rifles were 50 fps per inch and pistols were 25 fps per inch but don't ask where I got that idea from.
     
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    Gunbroker.com

    Item #38234887 S&W 432PD

    No Reserve, starts at $327, and buy it now is $337, with shipping $25.

    Ends tonight about 11:00PM.

    Pretty good deal from Discountgunner.com
     
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    Just bought a new 431PD from kstactical.com for $321 plus $10 shipping to my dealer.
    I highly recommend them. The 432PD is the same price, I think.
    Good luck,
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    Sounds like Georgia Arms is doing a brisk trade in their .32 H&R Mag offering. Glad to hear it. Their stuff has some clear advantages over the more common Federal and Black Hills .32 Mag fodder, which aren't bad. While still easy to shoot (with a sharp crack) the GA rounds appear to generate good numbers.

    I was impressed with 280PLUS's chrono data of GA's 100 gr .32 Mag JHP @ 977 fps from a snubby. I'm tempted to get a chrono just to add to the shallow pool of .32 Mag ballistic data.
     
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    What I'd really like to see is some .32 H&R Magnum balistic gelatin results. I've done a number of searchs on the internet, but have found nothing.


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    Shot the 432PD for the first time this morning. Put about 60 rounds through it, about half were the Federal 85 gr JHP, and the other half were Gerogia Arms 85 gr (YES 85 grain) JHP.

    The recoil was fairly light, it was definately lighter compated with shooting standard pressure .38's out of my 342PD (11 oz). I would say it was about half as much recoil as my 342PD. It tended to shoot high a couple of inches, and I do usually shoot a little high with snub revolvers (compared with semis), but this was even more high. Another guy even put a cylinder through it, and said he was aiming down and the rounds hit high for him as well. No big deal, it was my first time out, and at 7 yards I kept everything in the 8 ring.

    The Federal ammo had more muzzle flash, and had more recoil than GA, which would lead me to believe that my info in the first post was correct. Meaning the Federal stuff is actually hotter than GA, but I did not have a chrono so I don't know for sure. But I still want to try the GA 100 gr ammo when the start selling it again.

    Question: just to double-check I can fire .32 S&W, and .32 S&W long out of the gun correct? I know it will leave more to clean up, and cause the casings to stick more though.

    So far though, I LOVE THIS GUN.
     
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    The guns chambered for 32 Mag will fire .32 longs just like .357 will shoot 38's. Indeed, the .32 Mag is basically the same idea, a more powerful .32 that will accept lower powered .32's. But, the .32 H&R Mag isn't that old a round. I would think any revolver made for the round would be pretty strong.

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    Interesting. My experience is with the 100 gr Georgia Arms rounds, which definitely kick more (and crack louder) than the Federal stuff, though their recoil is still very mellow in absolute terms.

    Given that 280PLUS has clocked the 100 gr GA load at 977 fps from a snub, it sounds like the GA 85 grainer rounds would easily crack 1000 fps from your little S&W. I'd prefer the 100 gr load for defense, but it still sounds like the little 432PD with that 85 gr load would shade a .380 pistol as a defense gun.

    Maybe I'll get hold of some of the 85 gr GA ammo too for comparison purposes. instead of waiting for them to get the sweet 100 gr offering back in stock.

    I am officially pining for a 432PD. On the flip side, I warmly recommend the rarely seen .32 Mag Ruger SP101 if you want a larger, longer-barreled gun in the caliber. Sweet shooters. Just have your FFL order one if you can't find it on the shelves.
     
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    So many guns, so little time and $ :(

    I too am surprised to hear the federals seem hotter, Of course those are 85 gr and not 100. I too believe that 85 gr should break 1000fps, I'd love to get some data on that. I find I actually only have about 200 rounds of the GA. Maybe I should order up some of this 85 gr stuff and see for myself. :D
     
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