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350 Legend and Ohio deer hunting legality... I don't think it is.

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by mcb, May 3, 2019.

  1. DM~

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    Which is exactly what I said above... lol

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  2. mcb

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    I guess all my speculations could have been solved with a simple email. :oops:


    Short and to the point, that quote was ODRN's entire email response withholding only the signature of the person that sent it.

    I know its all mute at this point now, but given the number of guys I have seen on the internet that have measured factory 350 Legend bullets at .355, and the Winchester rep at the NRA show saying it was 9mm and a few other article talking about Winchester using 9mm bullet making equipment, SAAMI minimum bore area being identical to 9x19mm etc... there is just enough evidence that if you were one of those "conspiracy-theory" types that you might conjecture that Winchester designed the cartridge as a 9mm cartridge, and only after it was done did someone realized that a 9mm cartridge would not be legal in Ohio, a state that is likely a major target audience for the new cartridge, and post development simply started saying it was .357 caliber to avoid the problem. But that might just be the voices in my head talking crazy talk. :rofl:

    ANYWAY... seems like it will be legal in Ohio, load-up and blast away, sorry for wasting your time... :D
     
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  3. labnoti

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    It looks like it needs belt.
     
  4. DM~

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    Cut a belt in your chamber and make the cases out of 224 Wby. brass... lol

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    "He indicated that the .357 caliber was very specific and was why 38 Special was legal and 9mm was not."

    I may have an explanation for this...
    38 is bigger than 357, and even the least seasoned LEO knows a 9mm is smaller than a 357, its also NOT a straightwall case.

    Before ya'll get wound up and jump all over me..I KNOW a 38 and 357 are the same diameter, and YOU KNOW they are the same....we cant assume a game and parks guy, who may or may NOT be a shooter, will know that.
     
  6. mcb

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    This particular ODNR officer knew that 38 special was .357 in caliber. We discussed it at some length. I got the impression he was fairly knowledgeable on firearms.
     
  7. cljohnson24

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    I personally spoke at length with ODNR prior to purchasing my .350 Legend approximately 1 month ago and CONFIRMED that IT IS APPROVED FOR DEER SEASON HERE IN OHIO. The caliber was designed and approved as .357 and the boxes state .357 on them.

    The old method of listing specific calibers approved for use in Ohio deer season was changed to criteria stating "all straight walled cartridge calibers from a minimum of .357 to a maximum of .50" and the cartridge caliber of the .350 Legend is .357.
     
  8. cljohnson24

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    IMHO..they should've stuck with maintaining a list of approved calibers to avoid confusion like this and Indiana has gone through for years trying to use "criteria" which everyone gets confused by or "wildcats" around...Google Indiana deer rifles and have fun trying to figure that mess out...
     
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  9. Hookeye

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    Indiana deer rifles.........

    Pistol cartridge rifles (PCR) are legal for deer on private and public land.
    They must have a case length of 1.16 to 1.8" and be .35 cal or larger.
    There is NO straight wall case mandate.

    High Power rifles are under a test period, are legal for private land only.
    They must have a case length of 1.16 to 3.0" and .24 cal and larger.
    And there is a ammo limit of 10 rounds afield.

    Some cartridges that meet the specs have been explicitly called out as not legal.

    ...............................

    Not much of a mess IMHO.
    Before HP rifle became legal we trimmed .35 rems to meet PCR spec.
    Dandy it was.
    Now on private ground we don't have to trim .35 rem. But if hunting public we do.
    Eh, I'll run full length .35 rem in my Remington 760 and use it on private land.
    If I want to hunt public will take my .35 rem Contender pistol.
    Same ammo, shoots great.

    Handgun spec different than rifle spec :)
     
  10. Hookeye

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    The problem w the Indiana regs was the IDNR political stunt where they took a line from the HP rifle stuff and
    misapplied it to the PCR reg.

    Evidently many people can't follow basic outline format, or understand context.
    It got a lot of Fudds wound up.

    But it was fixed before the hunting season.
    Much ado about nothing.

    Outgoing DNR head was butthurt about legislature getting HP rifle passed and wanted to be a jerk.
    Nothing more.

    The fact that many deer hunters, of some supposed education and professional ability..............couldn't see it for what it blatantly was, even when you cut and pasted the freakin' law..............was unsettling.
     
  11. Hookeye

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    No straight wall case mandate for PCR.
    Wildcatters had some fun.
    Eh, not many play that game.
    Not worth worrying about.

    Dtech made .358 WSSM AR uppers.
     
  12. Hookeye

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    I had ol Bob at BK Bullet Casting trim and load some .35 rem to meet the PCR spec.
    They worked fine. For those that don't reload, there are ways to play the game.
    Not cheap, but not expensive when you figure out the actual cost of a hunt (like missed overtime at work, gas burned etc).


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  13. Hookeye

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    I'm still thinking PCR rifle of some sort.
    Pops has a fingergroove .44 mag Ruger (I've shot one deer w it).

    The .350 Legend looked interesting. Got a kid w iffy shoulder. Had surgery 2 months ago.

    Buddy just got his bbl to slap on an upper.
    See how it shoots. Factory ammo seems a bit sloppy from what info he sent me.
     
  14. Hookeye

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    If getting a RAR I'll go .450 BM instead :)
    For me, not the kid LOL
     
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