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.357 Mag vs. 10mm for woods/ hunting duty?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by phantomak47, Feb 7, 2008.

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  1. phantomak47

    phantomak47 Member

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    Say you wanted a sidearm for woods carry or a gun for close to midrange hunting with open sights, we are not talking a dedicated hunting pistol, so lets keep it between these calibers.:neener:


    What are the advantages/ disadvantages of each caliber?
     
  2. Jimmie

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    Handloading or factory?
     
  3. ChristopherG

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    The rounds are both perfectly capable of what you propose; I'd say the choice is about which gun you want. For me, the job you outline is one for a revolver--in my case, a 4" mid-frame .357; but I could certainly respect someone's choice to use a 10mm bottomfeeder.

    'Course, S&W has reintroduced the 610, too--so if you don't mind a heavy-barreled N-frame, you could have it all!
     
  4. Starter52

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    I would go with a revolver in .357 magnum. 100% reliable and a wide choice of bullet weights and types.
     
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    I would suggest the .357 (preferably from a 6" barrel, as the velocity drop off on a 4" is big) since this is a "compromise" gun having a 4" .357 is acceptable; it also lets you shoot .38's and .38 +p's. It is a good addition to your SHTF arsenal, as both .38 and .357 ammo are easy to come by.

    From a view of ballastics, the 10mm would work well, but ammo availability isn't in your favor, but it is a good excuse to by a .357 later.

    Take a look at your budget. If you are on a budget, as most of us are, it makes sense to buy with a view to SHTF type scenarios. At least, it usually helps me from getting to esoteric, as I love guns and have never found one I didn't want.
     
  7. MCgunner

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    More a preference as to whether you like revolvers or autos. Me, for outdoor use, I'll pick the accuracy of the revolver every time. There is no need for more "firepower" than a revolver has, not in the woods on game. If your hikes take you into drug growing country, you might have a point on the firepower thing, but still, I like revolvers for woods carry. Now, if I had an auto that was as accurate as my Ruger P90 and in 10mm, I would be in a bind to make the choice, I guess, but one thing I like about revolvers is the ability to shoot very light ammunition on small game and heavy loads for big stuff and defense with a simple sight elevation change. An auto isn't as versatile on the trail IMHO.

    BTW, with heavy bullets, the velocity drop from 4" to 6" is minimal. I get about 100 ft lbs drop on my 158 grain load, not enough to worry all that much about, still over 600 ft lbs. On my 180 grain load, I'm getting pretty much what Buffalo Bore's 180 advertizes. I get 1400 fps/785 ft lbs out of my 6.5" Blackhawk and 1306 fps/662 ft lbs out of a TWO AND A QUARTER inch barrel of an SP101. The SP101 still has enough umph with a 2" barrel for the trail. I haven't chronoed that load in my 4" gun, plan to , figure about 700 ft lbs just taking the split. The 4" gun is a LOT handier on the trail and just as accurate as my 6.5" gun. It has enough sight radius to allow this. Given the choice of a 34 ounce gun or a 42 ounce gun, I pick the 4" gun for trails and hiking.

    There is much more velocity drop in a 125 grain hot load due to barrel length, but nobody in his right mind would carry a 125 grain load for the woods. The heavier bullets in the caliber are much more efficient, I postulate, due to the greater amount of time they are in the gun, slower acceleration rate. They are able to use more of that slow burning powder's pressure peak.
     
  8. Reyn

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    Id take the 10. I like the higher capacity myself. I carry a G20.
     
  9. Kingcreek

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    My 4" model 66 S&W has served me well in that role so far, but only about 30 years of experience to base that on.
    I wouldn't want the extra weight of the 10mm.
     
  10. MCgunner

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    BTW, on the 610 N frame. If I'm going to tote that, I'll get a M29 and blow their heads clean off....:evil:....with the "most powerful handgun ever made (30 years ago). I won't mess with the 10. A mountain gun in .44 is pretty handy.
     
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    Ask a simple question when making the decision about anything to carry in the field.

    "Would I want to rely on this gun to protect me from a dangerous animal after I dropped it in a pile of dirt?"
     
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    For primarily hunting purposes I like a revolver. I use Smith .44 mags, but nothing wrong with the .357 in my opinion. For a hiking in the woods, primarily self defense and hunting as a secondary option, I like my Glock 20 in 10 mm.
     
  13. rcmodel

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    Make mine a revolver.

    The most dangerous thing in the woods around here are Timber Rattlesnakes & Copperheads, followed closely by drug-crazed commy pinko freaks.

    Speer & my reloading bench make those handy dandy shotshells in several calibers, including .38 & .44 Special/Mag & .45 Colt.

    Unfortunately, they don't make them in 10mm.

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    I got snake boots for Christmas, no longer fear the viper so much. I never shoot 'em, anyway, just side step 'em and move on. Besides, snake boots are a fashion statement in south Texas, and mossy oak camo, woohoo, ready for Saturday night! :D
     
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    Ive been thinking about this same thing i live here in wa and want to walk the trails and stuff i have a ruger redhawk 44 its a little heavy plus in this day and age its not just the 4 legged critters we have to worry about there is a you could be attacked by a human out in the woods its happened lots of times probably a better chance of that happening than a cougar getting you that is why i chose the glock 20 im going with the 200 gr. double taps they put out around 750 foot pounds of energy 15 round per mag i can put it in my pistol fanny pack and have my camel bac on my back just me and the out doors the glock is a very dependable fire arm
     
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    A Glock 20 is just a tick under 40 ounces loaded
    A GP100 is about 35 ounces unloaded

    6 shots versus 15

    I'm not sure you could make a case for a modern auto being less reliable than a revolver in the woods.

    It really boils down to that whole thing about personal preference. Would you prefer a wheelgun or a pistol?
    there are 357 magnum pistols and there are 10mm revolvers.

    As far as the round, take your pick. Either can handle the woodland creatures you might encounter. Seems like the platform is the real question.
     
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    Neither, get a 41 magnum. :)

    There always has to be "that" guy. I guess I'm him.
     
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    I have a .357 or four. I want a .41. :D
     
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    If you have 4 357's then you need a .41. A great caliber that has a cult following!
     
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    That's mainly why I want it, the cult appeal. LOL I have a 4 5/8" Stainless Blackhawk in .45 Colt, can do anything a .44mag can do. But, the .41 can, also, and it's a really cool caliber IMHO to reload for. For hiking, the ammo ain't as big and bulky as the .45, either. I think I want it in a 4 5/8 or maybe a five and a half (if I could find on) inch blued Blackhawk.
     
  21. Charles S

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    I personally think that would be a perfect platform.

    Of course I want...really baddly a S&W 657-4 Mountain Gun..... I know I know keep wishing.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The 10mm would be my choice and yes it is expensive to shoot.
    The 357 Sig is very comparable to the lighter bullets in the 357s range, (why I shoot both the 10mm and the 357 Sig) in Glocks.

    I went to a gun dealers location to look around and the heft and size of some of these Revolvers is truly amazing, and your ability to get a second or third shot off with any accuracy is not as good, as I have found the Glocks to be.

    I am surprised the Desert Eagle (44/50 combo) is not mentioned more (price is brutal for original purchase I guess;)

    Regards,

    :uhoh:
     
  23. MCgunner

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    Well, who wants to haul a Desert Eagle around on a hike? :rolleyes: I'd as soon carry my .357 carbine, personally, lighter, handier, easier to shoot out to 100 yards off hand. My 20 gauge coach gun would be handier, too, and a 20 gauge slug is pretty powerful at 50 yards. Can't hit a running rabbit, or at least I never have, with a handgun, either.

    I have no problems with my medium frame Taurus M66 4" getting off a second quick shot, no worse than my .45acp Ruger P90. Even my Ruger SP101 ain't THAT bad, and my .357 Blackhawk barely kicks even with 180 grain stuff puttin' out near 800 ft lbs. I mean, not that you NEED full auto in a hunting handgun or outdoor gun. One shot and the deer is normally outta here. The idea is to hit the target with ONE, that's why I often hunt with a .30-30 Contender single shot. Normally, for hiking, I take along my Taurus 66, very accurate, easy to tote, and 1" at 25 yards accurate for small game with .38 wadcutters. That's what I like about it, versatility, small game to big or humans. I don't live or hike in Alaska, so I really think .357 is all I need.
     
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    Scratching my head, trying to figure out how wearing these would impact my caliber choice...
     
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    .357 magnum is a good choice
     
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