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357 Revolver with 8 Round Capacity and Rails

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Liquid Metal, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. George P

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    The lock can be easily removed and a plug installed in the hole.
     
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  2. Liquid Metal

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    Thanks for the info George.

    I would imagine that would void the warranty of the firearm and would it be legal? I ask about the legality because a semi automatic magazine can only hold a max of 10 rounds by law but of course the are instructions to increase the capacity.

    I am talking and gathering more information from my local firearm dealer.
     
  3. George P

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    Semi mag capacity is a state by state thing; in Florida, I have no mag restrictions. Removing the lock is a simple DIY job which can easily be reversed
     
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  4. Liquid Metal

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    Got it! Thank you
     
  5. Pat Riot
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    Well, your sample size of none means you are going by other people’s word.

    If you don’t like the lock, that’s your option and choice not to buy a gun with one. Using hearsay to influence others in regards to something you have no interest in is rather odd.

    Actually my sample is 3. I also have a model 63, but it’s a 22 so recoil probably wouldn’t affect the lock.

    Now, back to the thread.
     
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  6. Liquid Metal

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    Ohen and Pat,

    I appreciate both of your inputs and good intentions on my questions. The details that have been provided by all have helped me on this subject by helping see things from different angles.

    Now it is just a matter of preference that will fit my needs.

    I am buying this for home defense. I have semi auto pistols but my prefer gun that I always grab for home defense is a revolver.

    Again thank you for all the inputs.
     
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    I do not consider Lucky Gunner hearsay. My sample size of 20 or so S&W's which have NEVER locked up over decades of use is more valid than your 2. You also have no interest in this but seem to be advocating for the lock, why?

    I did not want a person who came asking for help here to buy something which they may later regret. The OP has information, which he came here seeking, and seems to appreciate that. If I were to point out the Remington is in bankruptcy again or that Coonan seems to now be gone to someone looking to buy one of their products would that also be wrong?

    So why do they make models without the lock if they are 100% fullproof?
     
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  8. Liquid Metal

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    I have made an appointment with my local gun shop to checkout the MP R8 in a few weeks. I will update everyone one on my decision after I see it in person. I have gotten good information to point me in the right direction. :):)

    George, you are right on the ability of removing the internal lock. In case someone else is interested.
     
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  9. Liquid Metal

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    FYI.. In the case that I do not move forward with the MP R8, then I will put this quest (357 & 8 rounds) on hold and keep my GP100.

    since I still want to get a firearm at that time, I may look into something else since I have a few more items on my list including a 1911, Smith Wesson 500 and a 30.06 semi.

    Thanks
     
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  10. Pat Riot
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    I do have an interest. I am considering purchasing a TRR8 in the future.
    I am not advocating “the lock” but it’s kind of hard to buy a TRR8 or an R8 or pretty much any new S&W without the lock. :)

    I have decided not to pursue this conversation any further as we are highjacking the thread.
    You made your point and I made mine.
     
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  11. chicharrones

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    Nothin' wrong with a good GP100, but the weight. Lol. :D

    With a basic trigger job, a GP100 trigger will be similar to a Perfomance Center R8 trigger. I know from my own GP100 shooting side by side with my friend's R8.

    BTW, instead of rails a Crimson Trace laser grip is made for the GP100. Comes in mighty handy for older eyes and low light shootin'.
     
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  12. Pat Riot
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    Liquid Metal,
    Out of curiosity I did a little research on the Ruger Redhawk 8 shot .357 Magnum with a 5.5” barrel and mounts for lights and scopes.
    I had considered these Redhawks when looking into the S&W 8 shot models. The weight of the Redhawk is 52 ounces. Quite a bit more than the 34.7 ounces of the TRR8. Kind of like adding a loaded S&W 442 J frame to your TRR8 kind of weight.
    Weight isn’t necessarily a bad thing if one is not carrying the gun a lot and it does help with recoil.

    https://www.ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5060.html

    Anyway, I could find no light mounts for the Redhawk and I selected the 5.5” because I only found one aftermarket scope mount rail and this company makes them for the 5.5” and
    longer barrels.
    https://www.jackweigand.com/Ruger-Redhawk-Scope-Mounts-No-Drill.html

    I did find this video of a guy who set up his Ruger Redhawk.44 Magnum with night sights, a reflex sight, laser grips and a clamp on light mount. It’s, well, I will not judge this guy’s choices and let the video stand as it is...but, it does show there are options. :confused::p:D



    By the way, I am seriously considering the 8 shot 4.2” model Redhawk as an option. Sure, it’s heavier but in my case I have wrist issues that the extra weight would help with recoil.
     
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  13. Liquid Metal

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    You are awesome Pat. Honestly, I was researching on the RedHawk last night too.

    I was going to post this video to you since you are in the market for the TRR8 as well.


    If I go the Smith & Wesson route, I will probably go with the MP R8. Well, I like both. All of my firearms are mostly Rugers. I was hoping to break off and for once go with Smith & Wesson.

    But I am doing my research into the RedHawk. The light mount is not as important because when I sweep the house, I have the light on my shield. The same shield on Demolition Ranch. The scope mount is more important to me, between home defense and target practicing.

    Chicharrones, I may just keep the GP100 for my downstairs protection. :)
     
  14. Pat Riot
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    Thank you Liquid Metal. I hadn’t seen that video.

    Here is an interesting video by Nut-N-Fancy that shows 3 years of shooting with the TRR8 and M&P R8. The video they made 3 years ago is the video I saw a couple of years ago that got me interested in these guns. I haven’t bought one because finding them in California is a pain and ordering one and having it shipped adds about $100 to the cost in transfer fees and such. Besides, I had other guns I wanted as well so the quest for another 8 shot .357 went on the back burner. I currently have a 327 Night Guard that I must say is my favorite revolver.

    Check this video out. It’s 26 minutes long but has some interesting info.


    I know nothing of the maker of this video and I am not promoting his video channel.
     
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    You guys dove into where I was headed here,
    Get the Redhawk, a small illuminated scope, this gadget: https://buyersourcestream.com/produ...xMZLKKYIsdAzAmvAmsABJ2LN66V3p56gaAqCgEALw_wcB
    And a Fenix light (trust mine 1000%) and you've got a tactical awesome revolver (emphasis on the Ruger being awesome).
     
  16. labnoti

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    You can mount a rail on top of just about any S&W revolver other than most of the little J-frames. All the K, L, N, X, and Z frames with adjustable sights made in the last 20+ years have three screw holes drilled and tapped in the same pattern on the top strap. You can bolt a rail to that such as the rails made by Weigand Machine and Design. You can also bolt scope mounts. You can also bolt red dot adapters.

    You don't need a rail to mount a scope or a red dot. The rail on a revolver almost always causes the sight to be mounted higher than it needs to be because you're adding the rail to the gun, and then the rail adapter to the sight. The rail and adapter are like an intermediate piece that facilitates quick-change. If you don't need quick-change capability, it is better to mount the sight directly on the top strap with a single piece adapter.

    Since you're also talking about a flashlight, I suspect you're looking for a reflex sight rather than a scope. The best way to find an appropriate adapter is to decide what sight you want to use first. Then look for an adapter that fits that sight to a S&W (or Ruger) revolver. Let's say you want a Trijicon. There's an adapter for that. Trijicon makes one themselves, and you can also get aftermarket mounts from Allchin Gun Parts, EGW, Raptor Engineering, Outer Impact etc. The mounts for other sights like Leupold Deltapoint Pro are different. There are other adapters for that.
     
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  17. Viper1357

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    Yes, and the rail and screws come with it in the case.


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  18. Liquid Metal

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    Pat,

    If you already have a 327 Night Guard, the 327 TRR8 would be a similar revolver? They just came out with the "SUPER GP100" which is a 8 round capacity. From the other forums, it is supposed to be another RedHawk. However, the Super GP100 may not be California compliant since I have checked on the state compliance site and it is not listed. Have you look for the RedHawk at Turner's Outdoor yet?

    After researching on the RedHawk model 5060, I am still interested in the Smith & Wesson 327 MP R8 or TRR8.

    @labnoti, are you saying that I can mount a reflex sight on a Ruger GP100?

    @Viper1357, the pictures that you posted is a MP R8, based on the bottom rail and the color of the 3 dots. You mentioned the rail and screws come with it in the case. Just to confirm, the top rail right since the other one is a fixed rail? I thought I would have to buy that extra top rail for the MP R8 while they comes with the TRR8.

    Thanks
     
  19. Pat Riot
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    Liquid Metal, Thank you. It’s funny, I didn’t think the Super GP100 was available in CA either. I went to the Ruger site and found the specs for it and it does say it’s available in California. Thinking it was an older link I went to the CA Handgun Roster page and sure enough it IS on the roster. :D

    Here are those links, just for kicks...not holding my breath that the government’s link will show up right. They never do in this state. :fire:
    https://ruger.com/products/superGP100/specSheets/5065.html
    Of course the link doesn’t say “yay or nay”. Jerks.
    https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/handgun/super-gp-100-05065

    As to your first question:
    Yes, the TRR8 would be similar. That’s what attracts me to it.
    A few years ago I sent my 327 in to S&W because I noticed a burr in the rifling near the crown of the barrel. I kept getting “one shot flyers”. With every 8 rounds I fired I would have this nice group at 10 yards except 1 round would be 3 or 4 inches to the right. It happened over and over.
    One day while cleaning the gun I noticed a bit of metal sticking up at the crown just a few thousandths of an inch inside the barrel. I hadn’t noticed that before. I talked to a gunsmith about recrowning the barrel. He recommended sending it in to S&W.
    I did.
    I had read about the TRR8 and asked S&W if they could install a TRR8 barrel on my Night Guard. I was told they couldn’t because the Night Guards have a different barrel attachment configuration.
    They also told me “Nothing is wrong with your 327. We are shipping it back.”
    When I got the gun back the burr was gone. They had also installed a new Tritium front sight as I had questioned them about it’s longevity (I think they did it to detract from the fact that there was a burr and they did fix it but wouldn’t admit it)
    Anyway, my gun was fixed and I was happy.
    Since then I have wanted a TRR8 but I just haven’t had the money or another gun I wanted popped up and I bought that one...or two.
    My 327 is my favorite revolver.

    By the way, the GP100s and the Redhawks have different internal designs from what I have learned here on THR. The Redhawk is more robust and can be very hard to tune. The GP100s have a different configuration and are tuned much easier.

    I have been considering buying a Ruger DA though, mostly because I am angry at S&W for a small list of QC things with another two revolvers I have been going back and forth with them over, but I won’t go over them here. This thread isn’t about that.

    Here is what I have decided. Since new guns are really hard to get right now I plan to give my favorite LGS a list of guns I want that include the following:
    TRR8
    M&P R8
    Ruger 5059 - 8 shot .357
    Ruger Super GP100 (now that I know it’s CA legal - Thank you LM :))
    Ruger 5050 - .45 Colt / .45 ACP
    S&W 625
    (The bottom 2 are other guns I really want)

    Whichever one they can get for me first is the gun I intend to buy. How’s that for what I call “CoVid Roulette”? :D

    By the way, Turner’s Outdoorsman has empty shelves, just like everywhere else here.

    Ah! I think I know why I “assumed” the Super GP100 was not CA legal. The Super GP100 9mm (Model 5066) is not on the CA roster. I had looked at that one, saw it wasn’t in the list and just assumed the .357 wasn’t. I have no idea why that one isn’t on the list except perhaps Ruger didn’t want the hassle.
     
  20. labnoti

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    You can have a reflex sight on just about any revolver that has an adjustable rear sight. You unscrew the rear sight, and screw down an adapter plate instead. Then bolt the reflex sight to the plate. A rail would just add more height.

    Here is the Allchin Ruger plate:

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    Obviously, it fits the Redhawk and the Super GP100. I don't know Rugers intimately so I don't know if it also fits the regular GP100.

    Here is the EGW plate:

    49320_2_03.jpg

    EGW claims their plate fits Redhawk, Blackhawk, and GP100, so it would seem that most Ruger revolvers with adjustable sights share the same bolt pattern and the plates are compatible.
     
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    Yes, PERFORMANCE CENTER Model M&P R8, and the top rail and FH screws came with it (separate pieces) while the bottom (under barrel) is an integral part of the shroud .

    https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/performance-center-model-mp-r8


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    And this is how it's currently set up. HiViz FO front sight which replaced factory white dot, and standard white outline notch rear sight blade which replaced factory V-notch blade.

    SW_R8_new sgts564.jpg
     
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    On the semi-auto "front" I was going to say Coonan 357 1911, it's more of a 7+1 though. Yeah the S&W TRR8 is about the only "game in town" when it comes to the features that Liquid Metal wants in a wheelgun.
     
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    I say go with the 8 shot 357 Redhawk then Liquid Metal.;):thumbup:
     
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  24. drobs

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    Flash light rails on revolvers never made much sense to me.
    Seems like a good way to really hurt yourself.

    Cylinder gap is a thing and it will hurt.

    Warning - nasty finger injuries are shown in this google images link:
    https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...=2ahUKEwioyc_U9P7qAhWtAp0JHWLnBccQsAR6BAgKEAE

    Edit: Let me be more clear. Do not mount a flashlight on a revolver. You will hurt yourself.

    Get railed semi-auto: Glock Sig 1911, Ruger, whatever brand fancy you want.
    Mount a flash light on your shotgun, AR15, lever action, bolt action, PCC.

    I don't care if S&W sells a revolver w/ a flashlight rail. It's a gimmick that can hurt you.
     
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  25. Pat Riot
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    Excellent point! :thumbup:
    Thank you, drobs.

    It’s funny...well, how about coincidental, that you mention this. I was looking at 2 of my gun rail lights and wondering which type would best be suited on the S&W M&P R8 and actually wondering if mounting a light would be a bad idea. Perhaps if one were to just turn the light on and leave it on but momentary push button activation would probably be a bad idea. But, I wasn’t looking at the possibility of burns or injuries. I was looking at it from a proper grip perspective. Your post is very enlightening. Thank you. (No pun intended :confused:)

    Currently, my bedroom gun is my 327 Night Guard with a separate Surefire flashlight. I choose this gun because my wife is a pretty good shot with it and she is familiar with it. Out of all my guns she actually likes this one. She knows how to handle a light with the gun. If I had a light mounted on a revolver this might be a bad thing for her. I like having this gun as the bedroom gun as well.

    Your post gives me something to think about. Thank you again.
     
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