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357 vs 30-30 (brush-busting-whitetail rifle)

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Muzzlelover, Nov 15, 2012.

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  1. Jason_W

    Jason_W Member

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    If I were to choose a brush gun it would throw a large, wide projectile to maximize the blood trail.

    I'm pretty bad at deer hunting so I can't say first hand, but I imagine that in the really thick stuff, tracking an animal you shot could be tricky.
     
  2. 1stmarine

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    All bullets drop at the same rate that is dictated by the force of gravity. The .357 happens to be exposed to that force for a little bit longer.
    On a burris timberline with ballistic plex (little dandy scope) the holdover is a tad below the second subtension. It is a good thing gravity doesn't change.
     
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    Okay, this is The High Road, so I will keep it civil. You are wrong. And your righteous indignation is neither justified nor welcome.

    Proven:

    200FTXloads.jpg

    Far left:
    Case length is 1.285", primer CCI 400, 16.7 gr. IMR 4227, Bullet 200 gr. FTX and COAL is 2.15". MV 1650 fps.

    Far left: bullet seated off the lands. Middle: seating to touch the lands. No throat reaming needed.
     
  4. R.W.Dale

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    I hate to bust your bubble but real maximum loads will do over 2k fps with 200g bullets. Congratulations you've proven you can barely stick a bullet in a case and achieve NONE of maximums performance gains

    What's the ES with that load ? Do you even know what that means

    You're also using a bullet that will have absolutely 0 chance of expansion even 100 much less 200 yds downrange at those low muzzle velocities.






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    I've given you facts; you've given us unsupported opinions. Your conduct is both unbecoming and revealing. You are dismissed.
     
  6. R.W.Dale

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    What facts? all you've asserted is you can only slightly stick a bullet in a magnum case.

    Answer this simple question does a 357 magnum case have the same case capacity with a bullet seated to X depth in the case as a maximum with the same amount of bullet showing?

    I'm at work currently, I will share some of my load notes later. In the interm I again ask what load experience DO YOU have with this combination?

    Meanwhile read and learn http://357maximum.com/




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  7. 303tom

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    Here is what I use in my Handi-rifle & they are damn near pushing .308 Win. numbers.......
     
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  8. Muzzlelover

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    what type of powder how many grains do you use 303tom?
     
  9. R.W.Dale

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    They go over 3000 fps? ??

    Has this been verified over a Chronograph?




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  10. Clark

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    My grandfather [1883 -1965] told me he hunted mountain goat with a 30-30 and sold the meat to the tavern in the Alaskan Gold rush.

    That must have been before all the goats were gone, because in a Klondike News story, he found one of the missing bags of Gold when the entire town was deputized after a robbery. His occupation at that time said he worked in a sluice box.
     

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    Squabbling over ballistics doesn't answer the original question. Bunches of emotion don't help, either. Enough for one night.
     
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