360 BuckHammer from Remington?

Has anyone heard anything about this yet?

Is it real?

 

Looking on line, I see some ads for .360 Buckhammer featuring a 180 grain bullet. No caliber specified, but the ".360" suggests a 6.5mm bore diameter. Also the add specified, not in stock.

Looking at the SAAMI website, it is not listed as a SAMMi 'accepted' cartridge. So I have no more information than you.

Considerations bordering on conjecture. The original 6.5x55mm Swede and the 6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer of Bell fame were both loaded with roughly 160 grain bullets. A 180 grain bullet would be a woolly booger. .360 is too small for a blackpowder rifle of any power.

Horse, I am interested in the full picture myself.

 

It'll be a 35 cal from the little I've gathered it's a 30-30 opened up to accept a .358 bullet aka a .35 Remington but with a bigger rim no case taper and trimmed to 1.8 inches to meet the length requirements so they can get it in the straightwall only states like Iowa Michigan Ohio Illinois they are marketing it for a lever action it's a distasteful copy of Winchesters .350 legend

 

I agree. Remington may be late to the party. Much of us in Ohio are very happy with 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster. This seems to be an in between cartridge that, in my opinion so far, doesn’t seem needed. Perhaps die hard lever folks can appreciate it more.

 

Oof! I cannot remember what I was thinking, but it was wrong. .360" suggests it is near to the .358" bore diameter of various handguns and rifles. I wasn't drinking either. So far I haven't been diagnosed with senility. My apologies to everyone.

Okay, that is correct - at the time earlier today when I looked.

 

Henry's making a lever gun for this it's in the works

 

They couldn't just make some 35 Rem ammo instead?

 

If this is true, I agree it sure looks like a rimed 350 Legend. 350 Legend has far more appeal to me being AR friendly than this rimmed version.

35 Rem is not straight wall for the states that have that requirement.

 

Already have 350 and 450 for that role.

This buckhammer thing just looks like a lever friendly 350. Johnny come lately.

 

Agreed. Vista owned Remington ammunition continues the old Remington's trend of too little too late.

 

Looks like a .375 Winchester clone.

 

Huh, imagine that, a .38-55 rebranded for the 21st century. Having worked in the pharma industry for 8 years, I remember when Prilosec went "off patent" they created Nexium (altered one element) for a new patent. $$$. Joe

 

From load data I’ve seen for the Legend, max is a 180 gr at about 2150 fps. I would take a 200 at 2190 fps in a lever gun over the Legend in an AR or a bolt. Plus it looks to have a true .358 caliber designation. None of that oddball .355 the legend uses. I hope it catches fire. That way the bullet manufacturers will have to make more 200 gr .358 round nose and I can keep my 35 Remingtons fed.

 

This looks to be a SAAMI version of the 35/30-30 wildcat round that has been used in lever guns for a long time. In the early days of lever guns, lots of 32-40, 30-30 & 32 Win guns ended up with bad barrels due to corrosive primers. A re-bore to 35 cal was one "fix" for these guns.

As a lever gun round, the SAAMI limit will probably be 40,000 psi. The larger case capacity but lower rated pressure compared to the 350L look to be a wash (the 200 gr at 2190 is real close to 350L performance).

They are late to the straight wall party, but this should please the target segment.

 

I highly doubt this is a success but I will buy a box for the novelty

 

Sounds like an interesting prospect.
If the rifles all sell for $1500.00 up
like most do now, I won't be on the
waiting list. I know how to, and can
cleanly kill the animals I hunt with
the old "obsolete " firearms I already
use.

 

Honestly I think it’s a case of to little to late


What was the last Successful Rimmed Cartridge?

YOU’ve taken a very niche market and made it more so by excluding AR’s and Boltguns (when’s the last time youve seen a bolt gun for a rimmed case) part of the allure for Winchester to make the .350 Legend was they started with a case that they make metric Tons of to begin with and it’s not many different steps to go from .223 ~ .350 Legend for them

How many Gun Manufacturers are going to run with this? Henry yes after that…… It would be suicidal for Ruger to take this mantle up before we see a Honest to goodness 30-30 336, Maybe Rossi…….Maybe

Someone Help me connect the dots here you’ve killed the biggest Market share this thing could have because you Made it Rimmed so No AR’s and no economy bolt guns like an axis or Ruger American what’s left……….?

 

It looks like reasonable design. Won’t work except in levers, single shots, and a few bolts that will function with rimmed cartridges. Would seem to be a natural for Henry as the have the lever and single shot that would work well out of the gate. Ruglin, Rarlin, or whatever you want to call the current iteration of Marlin would be a clear choice.

As has been expressed already “will it sell”. No idea . I won’t buy one. The wife has a Marlin 357 , and I have a Ruger No. 1 44 mag, for the straight wall area of Michigan. Had it been around when states started the straight wall regulations it would have had a far better chance.

It does appear to have a slight taper. May be judged, by some states, not to be straight wall.

 

Based on somewhat more than speculation, knowing several of the former Remington/Marlin R&D engineers here in Huntsville that cartridge is pure Vista. Though it does seem like the old Remington could have come up with it.

Straight wall state lever gun cartridge that is not 45/70 or 444 Marlin...

 

Remington is dead, that's cartridge is pure Vista/Federal but for some reason Vistas is choosing to use the Remington brand from it's large selections of brands it owns.

I really wish brands would die when companies die.

 

The new cartridge is intended for lever guns, not military semi-auto rifles, aka modern sporting rifles.

The .38-55 and the .35 Remington are not allowed in some straight wall cartridge hunting states. The .350 Legend was not designed for lever guns. This new cartridge is straight wall legal in all such states. Some have cartridge case lengths that preclude the .38-55, it is way too long. And some have a .358 bullet diameter minimum.



I believe this is a joint development of Henry and Vista Outdoors under their Remington brand (that they bought the plant and the brand name out of bankruptcy). Henry teamed with Federal for the Hammer Down ammo line, also a Vista Outdoors brand. Maybe Vista Outdoors is splitting the glory among it's brands. Some people, like me, like lever guns and we can hate on straight wall legislation but give me a rifle of any sort any day over a stinking shotgun.

The idea, like it or not, of a straight wall regulations is to limit bullet travel. I do believe Henry may have requested this round. As to the .44 Magnum, no, this cartridge will be good to 200 yards, the .44 Magnum, IMO is a 100 yard cartridge. I would buy one. I have had several invites to hunt deer in such states and I cannot use my .45-70 or my .30-30 or any bolt rifle I have. My CVA .44 Magnum is a good little rifle but the deer are not entirely stupid and seem to stand off at 200 yards and stick their tongues out at me .

 

Making ammo for existing guns does not sell new guns, which is the idea, no doubt.

As far as straight wall cartridges, at some point the powers that be in each state with restrictions are going to realize the new crop of straight wall cartridges are as powerful, or more powerful, than some of the shouldered cartridges they're trying to restrict.

What happens then, back to square one with no rifle cartridges? Or specified cartridges only again?

 

Hmm. Maybe follow up with a 44 Mad Max type cartridge for something big bore. Unfortunately it wouldn’t work in 45 as the 460 S&W is already there with the 1.8” case length but at a restrictively high pressure for conventional lever actions like Marlin, Winchester, and Henry. (Not to include the Big Horn Armory)