Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by provotrout, Jun 13, 2007.
Let's keep it in the road, gentlemen.
Of course anybody can do anythiung they want to their own trees. Some of us tree hugging, gun nuts happen to like trees and don't think that they should be recklessly wasted by folks too lazy, clueless, or righteously self-empowered to find a better backstop.
As for boucing bullets, that's why they invented eye protection, the 4 rules, and common sense. The further you are away from your target, the lower the odds of being hit by debris/ricochet.
If you absolutely MUST engage that tree a close quarters, use a loggers helmet with eye-shields, and maybe chaps.
Several reasons not to shoot into a tree...even one on your own property. The man who sticks the snout of a powerful chain saw into that tree 20 years after your heirs sell the land may be in for an unpleasant surprise. Just ask anybody who's gotten one tangled up in a nail or a piece of long absorbed and forgotten barbed wire.
Another one is that...and I've seen this happen...a spire-point/FMJ bullet can squirt the lead core straight back at the shooter after hitting gnarly grained hardwoods. In this instance...a .30-06 ball round in an oak tree from maybe 25 yards spit the core back and hit the shooter low on the bicep. The bullet core traveled upward, along the bone, and lodged in his shoulder.
Slob shooters on public ranges and private lands who get their jollies by watching the bark fly off of living trees give the landowners reason to post signs that say: "Tresspassers Will Be Prosecuted."
So...Give US a break. Be a responsible adult when handling firearms.
Thanks, 1911Tuner. I'm trying.
If you really need to stop a big mean mossy redwood right in its roots, use nothing less than the 46 Super Magnum +P++
Those darn pine trees are always dropping cones on my head, and I intend to shoot back the next time.
More conventional technique would result in less excitement.
It reminds me of people who go out and blow critters to pieces just because they can.
Confrontation ended with no blood being shed. The officer fired one round. It hit the trim around the front door. Older home. Hardwood trim. The .38 round was embedded in the trim, 50% penetration. I picked it out of the trim with my fingers.
After that I carried 3 wadcutters and 3 department reloads that I had fiddled with the projectile a bit.
Yep. Another good reason not to fire at things with convex surfaces...like trees.
We just looked at each other and went back in the house.
The tree is still standing, with a scarred trunk at chest height
Yes bullet will bounce off trees and many other objects becarefull what you shoot at.
"...im(sic) not worried about killing a tree..." It's not the tree. It's the kid in his back yard playing with his dog 500 meters behind the tree you need to worry about. Or your neighbour's car, house, etc, etc. Use a proper back stop.
"...I've seen a dull axe rebound hard from the trunk of a wet tree..." I've seen sharp axes bounce off dry logs. Doesn't take much.
"...the crazy ricochets bullets take..." That's not the bullet. That's the trace element coming off and flying around.
I beg to differ. The "trace element" is inside the base of the bullet and doesn't just come off. It also doesn't go flying off at many hundreds of feet per second at odd angles or half a mile straight up. At the same time though, I was told that tracers do tend to ricochet more because the are much longer and lighter in the base making them less stable. I'm no ballistics expert, it's just what I was told.
As to the tree thing, my dad and I once cut some timber many years ago and had a neighbor bring over his portable mill and cut lumber for us. A couple years later I was using a 2x4 in my house for some minor remodeling and noticed a .30 caliber bullet sectioned lengthwise in the side of the board. It's still there as far as I know (I've since moved).
BTW, trees are quite plentiful here in the Pacific Northwest, but I do try to refrain from shooting them if I can avoid it. The mountains, rivers, and trees are what I like most about where I live, and I'm certainly no tree-huggin' hippie.
So, who wants to start the next thread: "What caliber for zombie trees?"
Another time we were shooting a 58cal Civil War replica at my uncles, using one of those old large oaks for a backstop. After about 3 shots he thought we should find something else because it was tearing up an penerating the trunk too much.
provotrout, I guess my point to story #1 is: You might want to avoid shooting towards trees. Even if they're your trees.
In my story #2 (the 9mm story) I wasn't even shooting at a tree, but at the soft earth on the side of the hill on the south side of my property. The point to that particular story was that freakish things do happen.
In either case, I came away wiser from my experience. I hope you have too.
But, gosh, that was so cool about that Swedish Mauser bullet zipping right through that oak tree! (Even though I didn't mean to do it because my aim was bad. )
You all crack me up. No, I was not in the land of OZ. I haven't been there since college. No - the tree didn't have a face. No, trees didn't gang up & beat me up as a child.
For the NOVA poster - it wasn't a range, it was a friends property off rt.211.
From the responses it sounds like this has happened to a lot of people. Next time I'll aim at a backstop & add a little distance for safety.
For the tree huggers:
That same day I killed at least 10 trees. Three I riddled with an AR-15, which left large holes in adolescent 30 foot tall oaks. Six were cut down with a chain saw to prepare a backstop. The last one was a 15 foot tall sapling (i think that's what they're called) that was decimated by a semi-auto shotgun at 15 yards.
Next time we'll cut down another 10-30 trees to clear the property a bit for skeet shooting.
Here's a clip of me pumping a few rounds into a defenseless oak :
Glad you enjoyed it.
I neglected to mention that the oak tree I shot with the Mauser is next to a fifty-foot hill (I call it "Heart Attack Hill.") The bullet went through the tree and harmlessly into the hill. Under no circumstances would I have shot towards it otherwise. For many years, that hill has served as a perfect backstop for most of my shooting.
So if you have a setup similar to that and deforestation is your thing, I say go for it.
the horror of tree genocide
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