Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Dr_2_B, Feb 20, 2006.
The mag release gets the smallest split ring I can find that will fit thru. Then run the larger split ring thru the lanyard loop on the grip and thru the smaller split ring that is looped thru the mag release. The larger ring keeps the smaller ring from falling forward into the mag well. When you want to release the mag, you pull on the larger ring and the mag drops free. Still takes two hands, but you don't have to worry about the mag getting caught in the split ring (as has happened to me when I've carried other grips and had a split ring thru the mag release).
If you've got a mag in your left hand, you can pull the ring with your left hand until the mag drops free, and be loading the new one into the mag well before the first one hits the ground. Probably not as fast as one hand thumb release, but pretty fast.
It's not for everyone though. That style grip tends to be thicker, which works for me cause I've got large hands, but isn't a favorite grip for most people.
I carrie both the M-36 and the Mak. I tend to carrie the M-36 more in the warmer months and the Mak in the colder. With the .38 snub I load it with +p hp's for warm weather and 158 grn +p fmj's for cooler , for the Mak my defence loads are always fmj's.
What I like about the mak is, it's more accurate, 9rnds vs 5 , and faster to reload than the .38 snub despite the mag. release .
What I like about the .38 snub is it is more concealable for me and my methode of carrie. It is reliable and easier to opperate , just point and shoot.
Makarov 9x18 Accuracy & reliability is not mentioned much in these posts. I have 3 makarovs which I purchased because of the low price. I placed them in work vehicles and desk drawer as "back-up" with the idea that if I lost them I wouldn't be losing much.
At the range (50 foot) I was absolutely amazed at the accuracy of all three of these. Comparable with .22 rimfire, and with the recoil apparently eased by the slide recoil second and third rapid-fire shots within 6" group were effortless.
On the single stack magazines (PA63) easy and fast reloading with a total of 15 rounds vs the 5 or 6 shot .38 magazine capacity cannot be ignored for defensive purposes.
My favorite, however, is the CZ-83, 2 magazines = a total of 27 rounds, all in a pocket manageable size.
I have more .38 specials than I can count, but firing double-action with anything other than with wadcutters, I cannot duplicate the accuracy of the little Makarovs.
Granted, I have only shot 500-600 rounds so far, but have yet to have any malfunctions at all.
CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP but not that bad of a little pistol!
I do agree with your comment on accuracy. I shoot my CZ82 better than almost any other gun I've ever shot.
And, for the weight, a Makarov will stretch those pockets to the ground eventually. Totally not worth the payload even though the cartridge (also basically a Soviet stolen German design) is better than the heavy gun. The point is that the Mak is (or was) a great gun for the money if you didn't have to carry it concealed -- basically disposeable. And it was obsolete as a military arm from day one. As for this being a 4-yr. old thread, that's OK because so many even better (small, light, reliable, powerful, accurate and relatively inexpensive) carry handguns have come out in JUST that time that the Makarov is COMPLETELY ridiculous as a CCW for what it is...
It has its devotees but they are not objective. Write "Makarov" on belly-button lint and they'd swear it was the best ever...
I happen to find it a capable round, right there with .380 and .38 special, I don't like spinny tings and can't afford a S&W 52, so no reason for one, and I prefer .32 or 9mak for personal work... I either want the lower compromise or a better shooting platform, and in both I get it. I may not be cool, but I can shoot it well. And I don't write my Makarov in belly button lint, I prefer pocket lint, best freshly brushed out of my pistol with just a hint of that refreshing smell of burnt powder.
Nothing Wrong With A Mak
My Bulgy Mak has more punch than a .32 or .380ACP, probably close for practical purposes to a .38spl and reloads faster than the .38spl. Where it somes into its own is its absolute rock-solid reliability and supurb accuracy. I've carried it in a shorts or coat pocket so its concealability isn't an issue (but yeah - its not in the same weight class as a 642).
With a spare mag as backup, I've never felt underarmed and probably could do alot worse in the CCW dept.
The .38 hits harder (k.e. alone is not a good measurement) and one well placed shot should take the fight out of a goblin -- and I've got 6. The CZ holds twice as many rounds, and that gives me 6 double-taps.
I don't think there's a bad choice here.
115 gr JHP at 1000 fps (Silver Bear.)
158gr LSWHP at 1000 fps (Buffalo bore.) And that's from a 2 inch snub.
The Makarov guns are easier to shoot and hold more rounds.
And the snub .38s, like 642s, are easier to carry and can be fired from the pocket.
The question is not which is better but what are your needs!
I think if she was really comfortable with the Makarov, she should get one. Caliber and bullet energy is great to debate on, but one should use the gun they shoot well with, even if it's a lowly .25 ACP. 9x18 might not be a very hot round, but .380 gets plenty of attention these days, and its energy isn't generally up to 9mm Mak levels, though I'm sure there's a lot bigger load diversity for .380. I wouldn't at all feel under-gunned with a Makarov, in fact... I think I need to put one of those on the list.
Just to clarify, a Makarov has a 3.83" semiauto barrel, which has roughly the same breech-to-muzzle dimension as a 2 1/2" .38 speical revolver barrel. I think perhaps a 3" revolver would be the maximum appropriate length for comparison, for purpose of having a comparable OAL and true barrel length of the gun.
Got this pair last week, had to wait 2 whole days after I ordered them to get in, middle grade.
Brass Rain, you do realize you answered a 4 (almost 5) year old question right?? I hope the lady has had her gun for a long time now. LOL
kinda spongy with a clean consistent break, though long DA
absolutely beautiful SA
Try the polish PA-64, the DA is for Heman, I mean you have to be pumped on adrenalin to even pull the damn thing in DA
but the SA is match, and would run almost any 1911 out of the box at least even, like scary target lite.
You should be able to adapt. Their function is like any other DA/SA automatic. The DA is not bad at all, about the same as my 92F, or a tad lighter. The SA is better than I expected.
What surprised me was the condition of the barrels. Chrome lined, and very bright. If you are not expecting Polygonal rifling, you may think they are shot out, but they are good to go.
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