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38 super or 10mm?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Smith & Wesson Man, Jun 11, 2006.

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  1. Smith & Wesson Man

    Smith & Wesson Man Member

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    I am asking everyone here for some help. Just don't know what to do? I reload, but I am still not sure what to pick. I was thinking about the glock in 10mm and I found a new one for around $500. I really can't find any factory ammo, but I can get brass and bullets. I found a Colt 1991 in 38 super for $900. A lot more, but I like steel frames better. I also really can't find any factory ammo, but I can get brass and bullets. I have never fired either caliber, so I am not sure what to do. Anyone has some thoughts on what you would go with? I would like to try something different. Thanks everyone!
     
  2. Deer Hunter

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    I believe you can do more with a 10mm, especially if you reload. The glock is a great platform for the weapon, but if you want an all-steel weapon just go with one of Tanfolgio's CZ-75 10mm offerings.
     
  3. nitesite

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    After shooting many versions of Glock pistols, none of which I owned but belonged to my shooting friends, I have always been impressed with how they shoot and their reliability/accuracy. But I have always been a S&W revolver and all-steel 1911 kinda guy.

    And I'm 48 years old, so you would think that I was pretty set in my ways and kinda traditional. If it isn't blued steel and wood I didn't want to buy one. Heck, I didn't even step up to a stainless steel handgun until a year or so ago.

    Mind you, I've shot a lot of 1911s and couldn't find a good reason to deviate from them as far as a semi-auto. Glocks, which I think are wonderful sidearms, just were not appealing enough to me.

    But then my buddy Tom got a Glock 29 10mm and my whole way of thinking changed. Here was a compact 10+1 pistol with serious power. Shooting it was a complete surprise. It shoots 10mm with a 'push' very similar to a .45ACP Commander. Reports of the 10mm being a rocket ride are greatly exaggerated. Controllability and accuracy were so manageable that I recently bought my own Model 29.

    It was my very first Glock. I had vowed that I would only shoot other peoples Glocks and never own my own. Now, in one handgun, I feel that I have a much more versatile sidearm than a .38 Super 1911 could ever be.

    Georgia Arms has 50-rd new ammo for as little as $13.00/50 and new ammo with Gold Dots only goes $16.25. It's not loaded down to .40S&W levels, either.
     
  4. Longbow

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    I'de go with the 10mm. Its more of an all around caliber than the .38 super. If you get the Glock you can order a .40 cal barrel for it. Much easier on the wallet to shoot..
     
  5. jeepmor

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    10mm

    I own a 10mm Tanfoglio Witness and am pretty impressed with it. The base models can use a little tweaking, but it's only dremel polish work on the chamber mouth and feed ramp polishing. I've had it jam with my handloads, but it has never so much as hiccupped with factory loads to my recollection.
    The issues with my reloads have been specific to the bullets and my crimping. My speer book is not matching the measurements I'm reading on the factory stuff. The factory stuff is crimped a little tighter and the bullets are a bit wider on the RNFP than the reloader bullets I bought.

    Either way, you're talking about specialty ammo that will be hard to find. So 1. I hope you reload or 2. you don't mind buying ammo from the internet.

    Good luck, 10's are great

    jeepmor
     
  6. Ohen Cepel

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    I would also go with the 10mm. I don't recall the issue but the Super tends to have accuracy issues, I think it's do to the fact that it spaces on the case mouth so if your cases aren't very consistent you'll have issues.

    10mm is just a more all around better round. The Super is also slick, just not as useful in my opinion.

    You could get both and then give us a nice comparison report:evil:
     
  7. leadcounsel

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    Tanfolgio, Witness, CZ

    Are these all the same gun/clones of the same gun?
     
  8. glocktoys

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    if you are looking for a gun that is easy to reload for in the 10mm i would say go to a glock 20 or 29. i have owned almost every make of gun and own quite a few and my glock 20 is the only one i will not get rid of. the 10mm will give you alot of room on reloading and if keeping the load levels down you can get quite a few reloads out of your brass too. wit 15 rounds or 10mm ammo in the gun and 2 more 15 round mags on my side i never feel underpowered on or off duty. the 10mm is a flat shooter too, at the range i am always having people ask what i am shooting as i am able to shoot the targets at 100 feet with no problem (on the local indoor range) and steel it a blast to shoot with some hot 180gr rounds (1400 fps). if you get into some of the doubletap ammo iot does bark and so does my hotter rounds but the factory ammo and 1200fps or less is like a .40 s&w but less recoil. i have sold several local shooters on the glock 20's and now have a good supply of 10mm ammo at the local gun shop as we all purchase there. good luck
     
  9. AJAX22

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    not to be the only odd man out on this one, but a 38 super is a cartridge that can be loaded up to some really hot specs. I have one and I really like it, its just a tiney bit pricey to shoot.
     
  10. MachIVshooter

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    More or less. Tanfoglio took the CZ platform and beefed it up a bit, then made large frame versions to accomodate 9x21, .38 super, 10mm and .45 ACP. The Witness is also known as the TZ-75. The Witness comes in all normal pistol calibers and models range from the base model at ~$350-$400 all the way to the Gold Custom E at nearly $2k. Tanfoglio basically took what everyone liked about the CZ and made it available in platforms and calibers to meet any persons need.

    Rather than reconfigure the CZ-75, CZ developed the 97-B. CZ does not offer a .38 super or 10mm.

    The MRI, IMI Baby Eagle (formerly Jehrico) is another clone. Tanfoglio makes them and then IMI finishes them. The Baby Eagle uses the full length frame from the Stock Custom Witness and a poly rifled barrel. The BE also has a Beretta-style slide mounted decocker.
     
  11. paul45

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    I have both 10mm and 38 super in Colt 1911's. My real comment is this....
    .... dont buy that one!! Way too high.....look around and see you can get a NIB blue 1991 govt or a SS 1991 govt. in 38 super from Buds for 698 and 724 respectively.
     
  12. Longbow

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    That's IMI for Israeli Mmilitary Industry.
     
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  13. makarovnik

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    .38 super

    I like the .38 super. The recoil is mild but the power is approaching the .357 sig. 10mm might be nice if you reload it but factory ammo seems to be loaded down to .40S&W power levels. You could almost call the .40S&W a 10mm short.
     
  14. agtman

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    More factory loads, in a greater variety of bullet-weights, are available in 10mm AUTO than in .38 Super.

    Bullet-weights in 10mm factory loads include: 135gns, 150gns, 155gns 165gns 170gns, 175gns, 180gns, 190gns, 200gns, 210gns, 215gns & 220gns.

    Given that range, the versatility-of-use factor clearly goes to the 10mm.

    :cool:
     
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    IMI is either Israel Military Industries or Israel Metal Industries, depending on the period in time the weapon was produced.

    You may be thinking of IDF (Israeli Defense Force)
     
  17. Longbow

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    yup, brain fart...I guess.
     
  18. warriorsociologist

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    Here's a link to the thread pulling most of the "10mm threads" on THR together. Just scroll to the bottom and plug in the thread numbers listed at the end of your URL to review each one. I try to update it every week or two.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=2565715

    My vote is also 10mm...and then maybe get a 9x25 Dillon barrel for it to make a "38 supreme" ;)

    :cool:
     
  19. 1man

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    1 more vote for the 10mm!
     
  20. 12 Volt Man

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    ........and 230

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