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.380 ammo shortage

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by sgtchris, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. sgtchris

    sgtchris New Member

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    I live in kent, washington and I cannot find a box of Remington .380 golden sabers to save my life or any kind of .380 for that matter. They keep on saying that Remington just cant keep up with demand for small defensive ammo.
    My question is when did .380 ammo become so damn rare. Albeit I am only 36 years old but I always assumed it was the older folks that tended to be partial to that caliber for backup shooters I could be wrong.
    I thought I was special. I am really pissed off that the eight(8) yes eight places I have called or checked out myself that the shelf whas completely bare. Whats going on?
     
  2. oneounceload

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    We elected a socialist in November that has threatened to eliminate guns, ammunition, etc.....people are panic buying and hoardng
     
  3. HGUNHNTR

    HGUNHNTR Senior Member

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    A socialist, you act as if its a dirty word.

    Ammo is scarce because people love to hoard things that make them feel warm and fuzzy when they believe the end is near. That cuts the supply available to you and me.
     
  4. jjohnson

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    Old Farts?

    Young Sarge, I'm one of those old folks that buys the .380 ammo now and then.

    My combat boots are older than you are, Sonny....:scrutiny:

    But anyway, many of us old folks started stockpiling some time ago when it started to look like the election wasn't going to go our way. You're going to have to mail order some from one of the many outfits like Grafs, Wideners, Natchez, Midsouth or even (I spit) Midway. You may want to consider reloading the .380 so you'll have ammo to practice with if you can't score big on high performance ammo. I bought my spendy SD ammo, enough to do the reliability test in my Makarov, and reloaded piles of it for range/plinking. If you reload 9mm Luger, you can even load the 115 grain bullets in both, same powder (type, not charge weight), and primers.

    The ammo shortage is entirely a supply and demand thing, and extends to loading components. You may as well get in line to stockpile some of your own before ammo and/or components get the attention of our friends in Government.:mad:

    p.s. - for those of you in Suisse, I recall that it was one of your neighbors who made "socialist" a negative word about 70 years ago - remember?
     
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  5. Marlin 45 carbine

    Marlin 45 carbine Senior Member

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    the supply here for .380acp is zilch. 9mm is available-barely. .357Mag and .38Spc is limited also. and 12ga Mag Buck. and 30-30 'regular' the Hi$$ ammo can be found.
     
  6. David E

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    Wow, a lotta hostility for a simple question !

    .380 is more popular than it used to be, thanks to new pocket pistols being chambered for it.

    ALL ages are buying it.

    And it's not "hoarding" if you're simply trying to buy some to have on hand.

    I was told that Federal, for one, uses the same machinery to make .380 ammo as they do to make 9mm ammo. Right now, it's going 24/7 cranking out 9mm.

    Yes, "socialist" IS a dirty word, at least it should be in this country.
     
  7. Taurus_9mm

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    I don't own anything in .380 but an owner of one of the two local shops I frequent said she couldn't get anything in her shop in .380 either, and usually they have a lot of everything on hand.
     
  8. orionengnr

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    Reloading. It's not just for breakfast anymore... :)
     
  9. huntsman

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    I would have thought it would be easy to find, After all the experts on the web tell us it's a worthless cartridge for self-defense.
     
  10. LightningCrash

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    I've heard, in a roundabout fashion, that most ammunition mfgs that had presses tooled up for .380 have tooled them up in 9mm to meet demand. The .380 in the pipeline has thus dried up, much to the dismay of many BUG owners.

    Again, that's just hearsay, but it seems to have some form of merit.
     
  11. ultradoc

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    I went to Wall Mart yesterday and they were out of 380
     
  12. tinygnat219

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    I was in Las Vegas last month visiting family and decided to bring my Kel-Tec P3AT and a box of .380 ammo with me in case we managed to hit the desert or an indoor range somewhere. On a whim, I decided to get another box. It turned into a bit of an obsession:
    3 Super Wal-Marts out.
    1 Bass Pro out.
    2 Big Five Sporting Goods out.
    8 Mom and Pop gun stores out.
    Finally found 2 boxes of UMC Reloads for 17 bucks each. I snagged them.
    Of the 13 stores I visited only the last one had ANY handgun ammo out there.
     
  13. jackstinson

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    A whole lot of people are using .380 with all of the Bersas, Kel-Tecs, Walthers, and LCP's out there now. This week I've finally got some boxes of various .380 starting to trickle in. I'd love to buy ammo locally, but none of the shops around here have had .380 for months.

    My personal technique to buying .380acp (.32, 9x18, etc):
    1. If you see it available online or on a shelf, buy it right freakin' then!
    2. Put in as many "notify me when in stock" requests as you can at places like Natchez, Graf, etc.
    3. Place back-orders for 2-3 brands with at least 3 places online. Back-orders have varying waits. This is good...since they don't charge you until the ammo ships....and the shipping fee is usually split up over the shipments they make.
    4. Look online daily, especially on the weekend. Like I found some Remington .380 which came into stock overnight at Cabela's between last Saturday and Sunday; I ordered Sunday morning, it shipped on Monday, and is being delivered today.

    Finally, don't order 2,000 rounds of one kind at a time. Let someone else have some. :)
    Jack
     
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  14. LightningMan

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    Dam! you folks are making me think I should have bought more .380 ammo. I was at a gun show in Nebraska Feb. 21 and a dealer had several boxes of .380 Mag-Tech ammo for $11.00 a box of 50rds. RNL. I ended up getting 3 of them for practice and 1 box of 20rd. Hornady JHP for $17.00. Should have got more, LM.
     
  15. ilmonster

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    Around here in southeastern Wisconsin there is plenty of .380. Actually, 9mm, .40, .38/.357 are in short supply. Most Walmarts, Ganders, etc. don't have any of the above, but plenty of .380 and .25 cal. ammo. Maybe in time folks will start to begin hording those too.
     
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    I found a 100 pk about a month ago at the local Wally world and picked it up. Haven't seen any there since or anywhere else for that matter. Most of the online source are out also but I have noticed some show expected shipments dates. Placing yourself on the notify lists is a good idea, you'll get some (right after they fill my order)!
     
  17. batmann

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    Sorry Sgtchris that this turned into something of a political thing. Just about any caliber is hard to get right now and when you can find it, getting very pricey. The election has people in somewhat of a panic mode. Many types of firearms are also in short supply as well.
    I have taken to buying my ammo on line. IF you search around, you can usually find what you need. I just bought a 100 rounds of .30-30 cheaper than Wally World (with the IN sales tax) and that included the shipping. I will keep my Leverevolution and use this stuff for practice.
    If you don't mind the extra cost, Double Tap ammo has some really good stuff. I haven't used their .380, but have used their .357 and .44Mag stuff and it is really good. Buffalo Bore and Cor-bon are a couple more premium makes whose stuff I get. Pricey, but but IMHO worth it.
     
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    We really don't need a bunch of snarky, hostile mouth music here.
     
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    I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything. Most places seem to be low on almost everything and the demand for 9mm (and other calibers, I'm sure) is certainly higher than than that for .380. The manufacturers are most likely cranking out the ammo which will fill the most orders.
     
  21. panther22

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    My local shop got in about 20 boxes on Monday. They were sold out by Wed. They aren't sure when they might get more.
     
  22. KevininPa

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    I believe that some hoarding is involved........

    ........but the fast popularity of the pocket rockets is what I blame. Ammo companies have to play catch-up now that the lowly .380 is the thing to carry. And I don't know about large companies, but my reloader requires different parts to reload 9mm compared to .380, so it might mean different retooling for them as well. That takes time and big money on their part. So it may be awhile before the .380 is mainstream with them. Glad I learned to roll my own :). 100 grain FMJs just short of 1000 FPS out of a Sig 232SL:D. Works for me!
     
  23. huntsman

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    Sales of guns, ammo still high

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090313_11_A1_ARuger442781

    by: KELLY BOSTIAN World Outdoors Writer
    Friday, March 13, 2009
    3/13/2009 9:24:48 AM

    Four months after the election of President Barack Obama, firearms and ammunition sales in Tulsa remain at a fever pitch.

    Popular self-protection ammunition is often sold out at local stores, weapons are flying off shelves and the state reports an 87 percent increase in concealed carry permit applications for February 2008 over February 2009.

    "People are hoarding. They're creating a shortage," Jim Prall at Sports World on 41st Street said of ammunition sales. "We've sold more ammunition in the last three months than we sold last year."

    Gun sales spiked in November with the election of Barack Obama and Democrats adding to their majority in Congress. But local gun dealers say the spike is turning into a steady climb with political worries about gun rights as well as worries about the economy and potential for increased crime.

    Prall said his store planned ahead for the increase, having seen a similar spike after Bill Clinton was elected, but the previous jump in sales pales in comparison to what's happening now.

    "Most we're selling now we got back in September, but we bought pallets then where normally we wouldn't have ordered that much."

    The surprise sales come with .380 caliber semi- automatic pistols. A relatively small self-protection weapon, it's not one that people typically fire in great quantity at the firing range, Prall said. Yet, the ammunition is now hard to find. "Nobody would have predicted that," he said.

    "What's happened is everybody is afraid because the Democrats are anti-gun," said David Stone, president of Dong's Guns and Ammo on East Admiral Place.

    Internet chatter about bills in Congress that would create additional taxes on firearms and ammunition components, require strict licensing and ban more types of so-called "assault weapons" add to the concern, Stone said. "That's just driving everyone into panic mode," he said. "We're selling 10 times the ammo we used to."

    Similar bills have come up in Congress before, but few have advanced.

    "We ran completely out here of 9 mm and .380," said Johny Mathews, product and service manager at the U.S. Shooting Sports Academy on East 66th Street North. "We were begging, borrowing and stealing from wherever."

    Concealed-carry classes at the academy are booked through April. "We used to do 15-person classes, and now we do 24 because of the demand," he said.

    Mathews believes that politics are partly to blame, but the economy also has people worried.

    "It's 50/50, I think" he said. "When people lose jobs and get desperate, good people can sometimes do bad things. People hear more about home invasions, robberies, and they think it will only get worse. Then they're afraid they might lose their guns or ammo, so they stock up."

    Sales are so intense that Stone has limited sales of .380 ammo to one box per customer at Dong's. He has .380-caliber handguns for sale, and likes to be able to sell ammunition to whoever buys a gun, he said.

    A shipment of 10 Ruger .380 LCP handguns was sold in 24 hours this week — seven the first day, three the next. "Last week I had 28 boxes of .380, rationed to one per person, and it was gone in three days," Stone said.

    Academy Sporting Goods stores also are low on .380 ammo. "The other day we got 16 boxes of .380 and a guy came in first thing and bought all 16," said Jon Ide, hunting and fishing sales associate at the 41st Street store. "A few people are doing all the buying, and it's the people who are trying to just get a box or two that can't find any."

    The increased sales comes with an increase in Oklahomans seeking concealed-carry permits.

    The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation pulled in additional help last month so it could process concealed-carry permit applications within the required 90 days, according to the supervisor of the self-defense licensing unit. Unit workers do not release their names.

    The 87.2 percent increase for February 2009 over the same month last year was partially due to renewal applications for permits issued three and five years ago. But new applications have steadily risen in the past three years, and increased markedly since November, she said.

    She couldn't share the monthly breakdown on numbers, but as an indication of the volume said the state issued a total of 18,510 permits in 2008. The bureau's annual reports show the state issued 16,426 permits in 2007 and 9,529 in 2006. There are 75,525 valid active concealed-carry permits in Oklahoma, she said.
     
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    Well, considering I have been unable to find a Ruger LCP in stock anywhere for months I'd say the round has become pretty darned popular.
     
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    oops my bad
     

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