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.380 VS .357 magnum!

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by waynedm, Mar 27, 2007.

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.380 vs .357 mag

  1. .380, 12 round

    55 vote(s)
    22.1%
  2. .357 Magnum, 5 round

    170 vote(s)
    68.3%
  3. Other (specify)

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    9.6%
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  1. GardDog223

    GardDog223 Member

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    380, no way. Spend the money for a 340PD S&W, you can go 38, 38+P, or 357. I shot a box of magnums out of my 340PD in one range excursion and the red mark across my palm did not go away for hours. However, for the ultimate in pocket carry defense, the 5 shot can't be beat.

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  2. Baba Louie

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    Power differential is pretty significant between the two, but you know that.

    Assuming exact placement of each round with either weapon I think it'd be about equal in that if I was to carry and use a CZ83 I'd be planning on firing two rounds minimum for each 'shot' required for self defense... vs 1 round of .357. if you can call that equal (and I mean EXACT shot placement). I know from personal use comparing my CZ83 to my S&W 60 (.357) I can squeeze off two rounds faster from the Czech semi auto, and do so accurately, than I can with the 60 firing magnum loads. If I need to factor in multiple targets I could probably do so quicker with the smaller power level (doh!)

    But... would I stake my life on that choice? No.

    Having said that, when comparing the two, the CZ is more fun to shoot a hundred plus rounds per session at the range, easier to reload and does hold more rounds... but I still prefer to carry and depend on my little Smith & Wesson for self defense when out and about.

    I agree with others who've stated since you can now buy tiny 9mms and even small .40's or .45's, a large format .380 doesn't make much sense... but it is better than nothing. And a lot of fun to shoot.
     
  3. jon_in_wv

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    Always overlooked is the fact that SHOOTING 357 rounds our of a snub is not a whole lot of fun for most folks. I routinely carry my Taurus 85 snub in the summer months. A five shot revolver is so accurate, reliable, and versatile. You cant' go wrong. 380s can be finicky if you get the wrong one and with the exception of the KT p3AT there are several small nines out there that are the same size or smaller than most 380s and it gives you a much broader variety of ammo. THe P3AT, while I mentioned it, is a neat, realiable, and accurate gun. BUT it is also a bear to shoot, in my opinion. It is so small and light it does jump around quite a bit.
     
  4. Tbu61

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    Get what you can handle and carry comfortably, if it's uncomfortable it's probably not right for you.

    I have a Walther PPK/s in 380... accurate, incredibly reliable and FEELS good!
    I also have a S&W Mod 66 4" BBL. all the above and a lot more SPANK.

    If I KNEW I was going to need something bigger, I would make room for it.

    Pretty simple huh.

    Oh, almost forgot to add..... Either caliber is LETHAL provided a good hit.

    Tbu.
     
  5. whited

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    .357 Magnum.
     
  6. mavracer

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    .380 marginal summer only proposition .357 best one shot stopper ever nuf said.by the same tokon i carry a 32 seacamp bug when i don't expect trouble.and have been known to carry a walther pp 32acp when walking dog in low crime neighborhood.but main ccw is tauri 605 .357 whith s&w 442 bug
     
  7. denfoote

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    What's really going on here??

    My first impression, other than this being a rehashing of the ages old revolver vs autoloader debate is that this is the old "magic bullet"/ "one shot stop" nonsense!! It certainly is a marvelous little caliber war!!.
    Both these cartridges will do what they are designed for.
    Both have their place.
    We could get into the endless debacle about whether it's better to use .38spl +P in a short barreled .357.

    But why bother!!
    Guns are tools and different tools have different applications.
    Just evaluate your needs and choose accordingly!!!
    There are times when I do carry a snub revolver and there are times when I carry a small auto. It depends upon the perceived threat level, the need for deep concealment and my mood at the time!!
     
  8. MudCamper

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    Look at the original point.

    If a 9mm is too large, any .357 will be too large, in fact, it will be a wider gun, guaranteed, which may be worse for carry. There are plenty of choices of truely pocket sized .380s.
     
  9. benelli12

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    I think he should go with the snubbie. The SP101 is a fine choice, smith & wesson snubbies are not built as tough but they are lighter and probably easier to carry. You can even go Airweight with the smiths, though not a range gun, they are very pleasent to carry. I think at least one snubby is a must for every gun owner, 38 or 357. But for personaly defense, SP101 is a great choice.
     
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  10. txcoyote

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    Dude, I really like my Bersa .380, but .380 and .357 are an apples to oranges comparison as someone else mentioned. Are we talking stopping power with one shot, number of shots, ease of follow up shot, or effect of same hit at POA? Spray and pray, the .380. One hit stop, the .357.
     
  11. lee n. field

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    How big is his 9mm, that it's too big?

    Can't really be compared that way.
     
  12. .45&TKD

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    I have a SP101 DAO snub that I carry .357 mags in and I also have a Bulgarian Makarov in 9 x 18 (which is close to .380), so I have considered which would be better in a gun fight, if I did not have my 1911.

    In very close quarters the SP101 all the way. But if any distance and multiple targets are involved then the Mak gets the nod (although my first choice would be my 1911).

    But for straight defense, I'd have to vote for the the SP101.
     
  13. waynedm

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    PX4.

    He decided on the CZ 83. I got him a nickel one from work about 98% with box and two mags for $300.

    I wasn't trying to make an apples to apples comparison. I wanted to get a general concensus of what people would take, a 380 with 12 rounds or a .357 with 5. It was just a horsepower versus gas mileage poll.
     
  14. cslinger

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    The SP101 or any quality .38/.357 is how I would go without a second thought. I won't go into all the details but the small framed revolver has a heck of a lot going for it as a civillian self defense firearm, with the only real drawback being capacity.

    That is just my own personal two cents and I certainly don't claim to know Jack Schitt or any of his kin. :D
     
  15. MICHAEL T

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    I voted a S&W 3913LS about size of a Bersa 380 and 9mm. I carry a 380 most of time be the 3913 is my 9MM carry.
     
  16. eng23ine

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    For daily CCW, its very hard to beat the Kel tec P3at.

    I have carried a .38 J frame, 9mm, .45 ect.....but the lil P3 is my ALWAYS gun due to its size and weight.
     
  17. 106rr

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    The CZ 83 is the best choice by far. The ability to strike the target is far more important than the total energy of the strike. The design of the CZ is superb in this respect. I own both a CZ 83 in 380 blue and an sp101 3". They are both excellent weapons but the CZ is far easier to hit with. Most of the SD shootings suffer from lack of accuracy more than a lack of power. The CZ 83 is also the most accurate pistol I own. Try the Fiocchi jhp for accuracy and the Rem Golden Sabers for SD.
     
  18. MADDOG

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    My CZ83 never fails, never. As a matter of fact I renewed my CCL last night and I qualified with my CZ83. 13rds of Corbon or Hornady is nice to have.
     
  19. whited

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    Interesting how this thread has degenerated into people simply recommending
    what they own. This regularly happens, and it must be due to a need for
    some sort of self-reinforcement.

    After re-reading the original post, I am a bit confused. It was said that a
    user felt his 9mm was a bit too big. What I don't understand is how this
    problem morphed into a choice of calibers (and a very strange choice, too).
    There is a wide range of very nice and very small 9mm Luger carry packages available. Almost every major manufacturer makes a model of this type that
    most of us would feel confident with.

    Hence, it seems to me that the user wants a change of caliber, doesn't like the gun he has, or perhaps both. I just can't grasp how these issues
    became a choice between .380 and .357 magnum.

    :confused:
     
  20. Dr.Rob

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    well a 357 SNUBBY with 125 gr bullets is about equal to a full size 9mm in power... but ergonomically it's a handfull to shoot. Like 125/1200 fps.

    A good hot 380 is 90/1000 fps froma 3 inch barrel.

    It's when you stoke the .357 with a 158 gr bullet at over 1000 that the .380 shrinks in comparison. Thing is the excellent Ruger SP101 weighs a LOT more than most pocket autos. That CZ with 12 rounds is likely getting up to the weight of a loaded SP.
     
  21. alucard0822

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    357 sig, have your power and capacity too. The only situation where I could think of that a 380 would be neccesary is in espionage, say you are undercover, but using your real name, want something that goes with your smoking jacket while you are a guest at some international master criminals compound. a 380 PPK has a lot more power than say a tophat thrown by a korean wrestler.
     
  22. waynedm

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    Confusion is being expressed about the origin of the thread, I thought it was pretty simple: Choose between a 12-round .380 or a 5-round .357. That's where the caliber 'war' came in I guess. It's not that I was actually comparing the two calibers, but the combination of caliber and capacity; more specifically the SP101 versus CZ 83 (the Browning BDA was also a contender).

    It wasn't that he disliked 9mm, it was just that he didn't find a 9mm he liked in the right size and that's where .380 came in.

    There were two basic choices and the reasons of the two choices were spelled out in a pretty basic way. I don't see how this was so confusing.

    I do agree with that. Like . . . 357 Sig? How's that help when the 9mm platform is too large?
     
  23. mjrodney

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    Two more cents, if I may.....

    I believe that a .380, a .38, a 9mm, a .45, or ANY handgun round to the lungs, to the intestines, or any other non-CNS or non-cardiac/aortic areas, has equal potential to fail at stopping a determined or adrenalin pumped attacker.

    I believe that 12 rounds of up close and personal .380ACP rounds will likely do as well as 7 rounds of .45ACP to the same spot, IF non-vital areas are hit.....i.e, a .45 to the lungs will have little advantage over a .380 to the same spot.

    Handguns are not rifles.

    A .45 to the CNS or to the cardiac/aortic area, however, will undoubtedly have an advantage over the .380.....unless, of course, the additional 5 rounds available to the .380 also hit the same vital area. Strength in numbers, I guess.

    When it come to handguns, you still need to hit the right spot, no matter what the caliber.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, my "bump in the night and goto safe" contains a .38spl, a 9mm, a .40S&W and three .45's.

    I really don't much care which one I grab if you are a bad guy outside my bedroom door.
     
  24. .45&TKD

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    I would be justifiably concerned that the .380 would not have the necessary penetration to obtain the CNS or aortic damage that is necessary.
     
  25. waynedm

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    So was I. We looked at ballistic gel tests and all. 90 grains at 900-1000 ft per second just isn't enough in a hollow point to penetrate much past 8". My thoughts were to use FMJ for more penetration, more reliable feeding and cost. For some reason he wanted hollow points when he picked his gun up from the shop.
     
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