4 more Senators now oppose Toomey-Manchin amendment

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The Huffington Post "whip count" has just moved Lisa Murkowski from the "maybe" to the "no" column on the Manchin-Toomey amendment.
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I hope it's true. I really, really hope it's true. Now, if Begich would grow a spine, stand up, and act like he believes the commercials he's been running up here, I would be able to sleep better knowing my Senators aren't actually going to sell my rights out from under me. (today)

But he did vote against cloture, so that's worth something.



EDIT: Has anybody seen the Grassley amendment mentioned below?
{from the HuffPost "whip count" link} Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said in a statement that she would not be supporting the Manchin-Toomey deal and instead would back an alternative offered by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa). She stated she was concerned about the bipartisan compromise "adding any new steps or layers of bureaucracy for any law-abiding Alaskan who wants to purchase a firearm for sport or protection."
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For those of you who live in Alaska or any of the 8 swing states hanging in the balance on this crucial vote here is something I would urge you to forward to your Senators.Last week I sent this to Senator Heller from my home state of Nv(I didn`t bother with Dirty Harry) In 1994 the Second Amendment proponents helped facilitate a 54 seat swing in the House of Representatives.

Every Republican incumbent standing won re-election. Thirty-four incumbent Democrats were defeated in 1994.

Here are the people that we made pay for turning their backs on our families and make no mistake about it.......they went after our families security and in return we went after their families financial security.


Karan English
Dan Hamburg
Richard H. Lehman
Lynn Schenk
George "Buddy" Darden
Clete Donald Johnson, Jr.
Larry LaRocco
Dan Rostenkowski
Jill Long
Frank McCloskey
Neal Edward Smith
Dan Glickman
Thomas Barlow
Peter Hoagland
James Bilbray
Dick Swett
Herb Klein
George J. Hochbrueckner
Martin Lancaster
David Price
David S. Mann
Ted Strickland
Eric Fingerhut
Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky
Jack Brooks
Bill Sarpalius
Karen Shepherd
Leslie L. Byrne
Maria Cantwell
Jolene Unsoeld
Jay Inslee
Speaker Tom Foley
Mike Kreidler
Peter W. Barca



Their names are here as a reminder on just how personal this is.
Sincerly MaxCarp!
 
To give a little more background,Here is the Original post from Roger Phillips;..... Turning Fear into Anger and Anger into Fear, Lessons From 1994
"The best defense is a good offense."

I am sick and tired of seeing the fear from the Second Amendment proponents. With embarrassment, I have witnessed people that I respect turn into people devoured with fear and worry. I have witnessed so much fear, over the top speculation, hand wringing worry, and straight out tinfoil embracing that I feel that it is time to discuss turning that fear into anger and then channeling that anger to go on the offensive against those that would attack our ability to take care of our families.

We have a very big club in our hands, we do not need to be fearful. We need to make sure that those that oppose our freedom know, without any doubt, if they come after our families security that we will come after their families financial security. In 1994 we swung that big club and we made those that put our families security on the line pay by going right after their families financial security. We fired them, left them jobless, and made them seek another path in life.

In 1994 the Second Amendment proponents helped facilitate a 54 seat swing in the House of Representatives.

Every Republican incumbent standing won re-election. Thirty-four incumbent Democrats were defeated in 1994.

Here are the people that we made pay for turning their backs on our families and make no mistake about it.......they went after our families security and in return we went after their families financial security.


Karan English
Dan Hamburg
Richard H. Lehman
Lynn Schenk
George "Buddy" Darden
Clete Donald Johnson, Jr.
Larry LaRocco
Dan Rostenkowski
Jill Long
Frank McCloskey
Neal Edward Smith
Dan Glickman
Thomas Barlow
Peter Hoagland
James Bilbray
Dick Swett
Herb Klein
George J. Hochbrueckner
Martin Lancaster
David Price
David S. Mann
Ted Strickland
Eric Fingerhut
Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky
Jack Brooks
Bill Sarpalius
Karen Shepherd
Leslie L. Byrne
Maria Cantwell
Jolene Unsoeld
Jay Inslee
Speaker Tom Foley
Mike Kreidler
Peter W. Barca



Their names are here as a reminder on just how personal this is.

Remind your representatives at the Local, State, and Federal levels just how personal you will take this attack on your family and remind them about how personal it will effect them if they are on the wrong side of "right and wrong."

Fear is a killer! Turn your fear into anger and make those that oppose us fear for their families financial security.
 
Thanks Johnny.If you think any of your reps from Florida need reminding,I urge you to pass this message along to them(I don`t know how Florida leans other than Rubio)Perhaps this message could be tied in with an appeal to House Republicans urging them to sign on to the Stockman-Broun letter.If the Stockman-Broun letter gains critical mass,Republicans in the Senate may be able to resist any Temptation that Dirty Harry may try to entice them with.
 
EDIT: Has anybody seen the Grassley amendment mentioned below?
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Haven't seen the text yet; but based on news reports, it appears to be a block grant of funds for states to improve data submitted to NICS along with a few minor pro-gun things. No additional background checks.
 
What will remain in once UBC is out?

Are they going to look at the REAL problem now and not just focus on gun control?
 
The HuffPost Whip count is showing 52-Y, 41-N, and seven undecided. So, yeah... it looks dead. We'll see what happens when the votes are cast.
 
Carpboy,
With all due respect to your list, I think Rostenkowski (D)-IL was on his way to a different Big House at that point in his career. :)

Matt
 
I'm NOT holding my breath until this monstrosity has a stake in it's heart.
Of Course the condescender-in-chief will be furious and will do EVERYTHING he can (legal or otherwise) to do an "End Run" around congress. He AIN'T happy when he don't get his own way!
 
What will remain in once UBC is out?
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When the Manchin-Toomey and Grassley amendments are voted down, as expected, we will be left with the underlying bill, which, as you remember, contains the obnoxious "placeholder" Schumer background-check provision. Since that's unacceptable to the majority of the Senate, it will act as a "poison pill" for the whole bill. I expect a desperate move (by the proponents of the bill) either to strip out the Schumer BGC, or to substitute some "acceptable" alternative, such as the Coburn plan. Anyway, the prospects for the whole bill are dim, and diminishing daily (and that's even before it gets to the House). I have mixed feelings about this, because it might have been a vehicle for pro-gun provisions, such as nationwide reciprocity and repeal of the Hughes Amendment.
 
Remember the votes haven't been cast yet. Keep contacting your reps until this is actually dead.
 
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