Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by BlackHand1917, Jul 19, 2022.
Seriously, at 10 yards and under, it's still gonna put the hurt on someone.
Of course the BB and #4's will still be useful for training, shoot em up as you stock up on 00 Buck.
I keep quite a bit of #4 buck available, does well out of most of my shotguns, have some 00, but would prefer the pattern density of #4. If it's past 50 yards I have an assortment of rifles to choose from.
And here is a more in depth look by Paul Harrell. Specifically looking at the penetration capability of using #4 and #8 birdshot.
I have my HD shotgun, a 20ga pump, loaded with two 3" 4 shot turkey loads followed by a few #4 buck rounds.
No. 4 BIRDSHOT or #4 BUCKSHOT? I'm going to assume you're talking about the latter. They aren't the same thing.
BIRDSHOT Actually. I know #4 Buck is good for self-defense.
At say 15 yards ( 45 feet ) Shoot some targets with #4 shot .... just may surprise you how tight the patterns are . Shoot a couple water jugs ... it will do more damage than you think .
At that range a 12 gauge w/ #4 shot is very viable ... shoot center mass and if centered a person will not turn and walk away .
I would hang onto the #4 bird shot . I keep mine loaded with #4 Buck shot only because it was on sale and I didn't see any #4 bird shot !
Fortunately I had some 4 Buck to repulse Covid Zombies.
#4 birdshot is quite small. As stated by many: in an emergency you dance with the one you brung, but I'd be reluctant to consider anything over 10 yds to be covering fire and by 25 it's practically a less-lethal round on humans. At 0 - 7 yds or so (depending on your gun) its a single column so will put a moderately deep 18 mm wide hole in someone, so slow them down pretty well. At near contact ranges, even people with soft armor won't enjoy it at all, though it won't penetrate.
A box or two of good defensive buckshot should not be unaffordable. Practice with the other stuff but keep the 8-pellet 00 loaded up when you get home, for bad days.
I have tested number 2 lead "bird shot" on coyotes, it was probably worse than buckshot. It's was just holes and blood everywhere.
Would not be my first choice but not at the bottom of the list either.
A face full of number eight shot is a whole lot better than begging for your life and hoping the miscreant is willing to let you live.
Honestly 3.5in BB would be a pretty wicked close range round cause a crap ton of 17 cal pellets at 1400fps at 7 yards would be pretty incapacitating unless the dude is on meth. But that would be for an emergency use, like oh no I just got back from goose hunting and am making dinner and that's the only gun within arms reach type of thing. But for real, as others have said, get some 000 or 00 buck. 3in 000 buck is pretty nasty, 10 36 cal pellets at 1200fps will hurt for sure, lol.
Birdshot can work at very close ranges and if the person you have to stop isn't wearing heavy winter clothes. But I'd not make it my 1st choice by design. Maybe by necessity. IMO even buckshot is overrated, not that it can't be effective, it's just not a magic death ray.
At night it is always there beside the bed along with whichever handgun I carried that day. I chose that setup since I will not be using it to fire further than four or five yards and the goal is to gain time to get one or more of my handguns and put on my glasses. The chances of facing anyone wearing heavy clothing is virtually nil, maybe three or four night a year. At that range the #4 shot should get someone's attention and even without my glasses and in the dark I am relatively sure I would make an impression.
I was ready to reply. [stay with me] I really reject the "how would you like to be shot with [--insert anything--] " argument. BUT, he very correctly followed with, IMNSHO,
I've often touted a mid-gauge scattergun of choice, with a mid-sized game load (#4 shot to #4 buck) as a reasonable HD solution to stopping, penetration, and sufficient spread in extreme stress situations, so he won my vote.
-jb, shotguns aren't just close eyes, yank trigger and clear the whole living room
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