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.40 Caliber

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 5thSFGroup, May 22, 2010.

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  1. 5thSFGroup

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    I am loading the #5 TCFP.40 caliber using Clays powder at the recommended 3.5 grains. The rounds are working fine. The bullet length is 1.125. I am getting a large amount of smoking. Clays is a clean burning powder. Any suggestions or is it just the lubrication that is vaporizing?
     
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    Smoke during firing lead bullets with lube is normal. Missouri Bullets I received came with very liberal amounts of hard blue lube (the good stuff) and I consider extra lube is better than not enough lube on my lead bullets. ;)
     
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    Yep. It's the lube, and the lead to a small degree, but mostly the lube. Come with the territory.

    Precision Bullets (and others) are a less smoky alternative without going to plated or jacketed, but they have gone way up in pricing. I can buy Berrys plated bullets almost as cheap now.

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    Thanks folks. I do not know if we can survive the onslaught until 2012. I am doing all I can to halt the tide. I am an ex Green Beret from Viet Nam. I have 3 purple hearts, 14 orthopedic surgeries and the following 8 week per surgery orthopedic rehab. A total of over 112 weeks. I never regreted one day until now....we need to take back out country. How the hell did this happen!?

    Back to business. I bought my youngest daughter a XD/M 3.8, .40 caliber for her college graduation present. She loves it. Her weapon accumulates more lead than my Sig. P 226. Is there a problem that is similar to the Glock when using lead? Or just business as usuall. I am retired and have just begun reloading. Lots of questions and lots of mistakes...but lots of fun. I can now afford to shoot as I want. Looking forward to hearing from you folks and always open to suggestions.

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    5th Group, welcome to THR. Thanks for your service.

    Don't let your own thread get locked or deleted by turning it political.
     
  6. sharptailhunter

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    I can't speak for Clays but I was first using Titegroup with my .40 lead SWCs and they smoked quite a bit. I switched to AA#7 and found them to smoke a lot less and they we're considerably more accurate. My point is, some powders are definitely different/better than others. Oh yeah, my barrel leaded less with the AA#7 as well.
     
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    Clays is one of the cleanest buring powders out there. I have very little smoke from my reloaded .45 in a Kimber. For some reason, the .40 rounds in my daughter's pistol seem to smoke quite a bit. The specs call for 3.5 grains....I am wondering if bumping it up to 3.7 might help.
     
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    Will do.
     
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    I load 180 grain LTCFP bullets with Clays and get some smoke at 3.3 grains. 3.5 grains is getting pretty warm with Clays. 3.7 .... I don't think I'd go there. Clays is known to pressure spike very quickly when approaching maximum loads. This is how Kabooms happen. I'd be real careful.

    Another powder may be a better solution. Universal works good with this bullet weight and I find it smokes a little less. Plated bullets will also eliminate smoking at less cost than jacketed however jacketed won't be a lot more cost than plated.

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    5thSFGroup, are you shooting MBC lead bullet in your Kimber too? I find MBC lead bullets arrive with a bit more lube than other commercial lead bullets I have used. I am not sure if increasing the powder charge will decrease the amount of smoke (my last few range tests shooting various powder charges for the same weight/caliber lead bullets did not show any variation in the amount of lube smoke produced).

    I am shooting the same IDP #5 180 gr 40 TCFP bullet in G22/G27/M&P and the amount of smoke I am seeing is comparable to other commercial bullets. Since I am getting much less leading with MBC bullets (virtually no leading after my last range test), I do not mind the extra lube.

    If you are looking for another powder, W231/HP38 (same powder) is another clean burning powder that has wider powder charge range than other powders (For me, 3.5 gr - 4.8 gr for 180 gr lead bullet so far).
     
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    I fired another 100 rounds today. Not as much smoke as previously. I believe this was a case of operator hypersensitivity....lol. I am going to stay with the the 3.5 grains of Clay and finish the 4 lbs of powder I have. I will give another powder a look/see after that if things do not appear kosher.

    My daughter;s XD/M had far less lead than it did on the first go around. Her weapon is new and it may just be a case of things settling down.

    Yes....I am shooting a round nose MBC in my .45. Shot it today with outstanding results. (soft ball).
     
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    5thSFGroup, I find that if I keep my focus on the holes on the target, smoke issue kinda disappears. :D
    Since you are loading at max load data, how about trying lower charges to see if there is less gas cutting - may reduce the smoking/leading (You got nothing to lose).

    Also for your daughter, if/when you get a chance, try the 180 gr 40 S&W TCFP with 3.8 gr of W231/HP38/Green Dot at 1.125" OAL. It is a very pleasant, soft recoiling load (lighter than 9mm) with extreme accuracy. I consistently get quarter sized shot groups at 7-10 yards and my wife/daughter love to shoot the load.
     
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    With enough focus, the noise, recoil, smoke, etc, just go away. Sort of like hitting or pitching, you must clear your mind and focus 100% on what you are doing. Ever see "For love of the game" when Costner "clears the mechanism"? It isn't just a gimmick, it can be done.
     
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    I am using a MBC round in the Kimber. The smoke issue was not a problem on firing. It was just a noticed incident that my daughter commented on and was observed when she fired under a protected area. When she is out in the open it is not noticeable to her.

    I think I have a fair working knowledge of focus.

    So far, I have been satisfied with the Clays. It is very clean and takes less powder than some of the others. I will hold the load at 3.5 or below though. Thanks for the info. The downloaded info I received just showed 3.5. It did not discuss min and max...wish it had.
     
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