.40 S&W 165 gr. vs 180 gr.

[stinger 327]

I don't recommend either.

Federal HST not only outperforms them both but provides greater self-defense capability as well. In addition HST can be purchased in 50 round boxes for less than $30.

If you desire a cartridge with higher velocity and more energy, then I suggest CorBon DPX or Black Hills TAC-XP, both of which are loaded with the Barnes solid copper TAC-XP bullet.

Ammunition that doesn't feed or cycle the slide reliably will be quickly apparent. I'd feel confident after shooting 3 full magazine loads through the pistol with no stoppages.

Thanks for that info. I'm glad finally one can get good ammo in 50 round boxes again. These 20 rounders are overpriced somehow it must have become a trend for 20 round boxes for personal protection or SD loads.
I have not heard any info on Federal HST. What does HST mean?

 

[Shawn Dodson]

HST = Hi Shok Two. In days of yore Federal offered two lines of ammo - Hi Shok and HydraShok.

HST is an updated version of Tom Burczynski's Starfire bullet, which was loaded by PMC/El Dorado. Burczynski engineered both HydraShok and Starfire, and contributed to the HST. Starfire was a clever design that used a fluted cavity. The fluted cavity increased the surface area in which fluid pressure impinged to increase expansion performance. However the ribs that extended into the cavity had a propensity to clog with cloth when it passed through medium-heavy clothing. The HST bullet uses the fluted cavity design but the flutes and ribs are exposed AFTER the bullet begins to expand. Once the flutes and ribs are exposed to fluid pressure the increased surface area facilitates increased expansion performance.

You can purchase HST from - http://www.policehq.com/ProductList...erValues=c5456663-1803-498f-9a57-3038b4914f95

For more info about terminal performance I suggest you see the Wound Ballistics page at FirearmsTactical.com - http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

 

[stinger 327]

HST = Hi Shok Two. In days of yore Federal offered two lines of ammo - Hi Shok and HydraShok.

HST is an updated version of Tom Burczynski's Starfire bullet, which was loaded by PMC/El Dorado. Burczynski engineered both HydraShok and Starfire, and contributed to the HST. Starfire was a clever design that used a fluted cavity. The fluted cavity increased the surface area in which fluid pressure impinged to increase expansion performance. However the ribs that extended into the cavity had a propensity to clog with cloth when it passed through medium-heavy clothing. The HST bullet uses the fluted cavity design but the flutes and ribs are exposed AFTER the bullet begins to expand. Once the flutes and ribs are exposed to fluid pressure the increased surface area facilitates increased expansion performance.

You can purchase HST from - http://www.policehq.com/ProductList...erValues=c5456663-1803-498f-9a57-3038b4914f95

For more info about terminal performance I suggest you see the Wound Ballistics page at FirearmsTactical.com - http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

Many thanks again for the useful info. I have some of those old Starfires made by PMC, as well as the Golden Sabers they all appeared on the scene at the same time. Hydroshok in .45 ACP also.
But never heard of this Hyshok maybe it's new unlike the old Hydroshok but I will look into it.
You can go to Walmart get a box of 100 180 grain .40 cal. HP for 32.00. Now that's a great buy. Also saw 165 grain FMJ pack of 100 both of these are by Remington the white box with green letters?

 

[stinger 327]

HST = Hi Shok Two. In days of yore Federal offered two lines of ammo - Hi Shok and HydraShok.

HST is an updated version of Tom Burczynski's Starfire bullet, which was loaded by PMC/El Dorado. Burczynski engineered both HydraShok and Starfire, and contributed to the HST. Starfire was a clever design that used a fluted cavity. The fluted cavity increased the surface area in which fluid pressure impinged to increase expansion performance. However the ribs that extended into the cavity had a propensity to clog with cloth when it passed through medium-heavy clothing. The HST bullet uses the fluted cavity design but the flutes and ribs are exposed AFTER the bullet begins to expand. Once the flutes and ribs are exposed to fluid pressure the increased surface area facilitates increased expansion performance.

You can purchase HST from - http://www.policehq.com/ProductList...erValues=c5456663-1803-498f-9a57-3038b4914f95

For more info about terminal performance I suggest you see the Wound Ballistics page at FirearmsTactical.com - http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

I read the info on Hornady Critical Defense ammo lacking the ability to shoot through barriers but being primary bullet to hit a person. It's is strange though because everywhere I have seen this ammo it is sold out. Must be very popular or they can't keep up with demand.
Also that website don't you have to have peace officer status to purchase the 9mm, .40 cal, .45 ACP in the HST version?
Are there any civilian websites or stores that sell this HST Federal ammo?

 

[Taurus_9mm]

Because I prefer the slight gain in velocity, own personal preference are those between 155 gr. and 165 gr.

 

[stinger 327]

Because I prefer the slight gain in velocity, own personal preference are those between 155 gr. and 165 gr.

Why not 180 grains?

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Must be very popular or they can't keep up with demand.

The uninformed are buying into Hornady's alluring marketing hype.

Think of it as "special-purpose" ammo as opposed to "general-purpose" ammo. General-purpose ammo performs well over a broader spectrum of circumstances whereas special-purpose ammo performs well when circumstances fit "inside the box" it was specially designed for. Special-purpose ammo does not perform well when circumstances fall "outside the box".

Also that website don't you have to have peace officer status to purchase the 9mm, .40 cal, .45 ACP in the HST version?

As a private citizen you can buy all the HST ammo you want from Streicher's.

The only ammo that's restricted to law enforcement is Winchester, and that's simply because of Winchester policy (which went into effect after the Black Talon fiasco). Official Winchester distributors are prohibited from selling Winchester Law Enforcement ammo to priviate citizens. If they do, Winchester threatens to cancel the distributorship.

 

[stinger 327]

The uninformed are buying into Hornady's alluring marketing hype.

Think of it as "special-purpose" ammo as opposed to "general-purpose" ammo. General-purpose ammo performs well over a broader spectrum of circumstances whereas special-purpose ammo performs well when circumstances fit "inside the box" it was specially designed for. Special-purpose ammo does not perform well when circumstances fall "outside the box".

As a private citizen you can buy all the HST ammo you want from Streicher's.

The only ammo that's restricted to law enforcement is Winchester, and that's simply because of Winchester policy (which went into effect after the Black Talon fiasco). Official Winchester distributors are prohibited from selling Winchester Law Enforcement ammo to priviate citizens. If they do, Winchester threatens to cancel the distributorship.

Many thanks again for useful info. Perhaps I will try out that ammo by Federal HST? Is this a preferable brand for .40 cal only or is it just as high performing with the .45 aCP and 9MM?
Only have 1 month 2 weeks to purchase by mail as it will be law - No more ammo sales through the mail.