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.40 S&W ammo for those who think the .40 is too "snappy"

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by greenlion, Oct 22, 2011.

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  1. greenlion

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    I read posts all the time discussing the fact that .40 S&W recoil is uncomfortable for some folks to shoot. Hornady is now making the perfect practice ammo for people who are new to the .40S&W, or need a lower-recoil round to practice with. Its also great for anyone who wants some quality range ammo to have fun with that does not cost an arm and a leg.

    Hornady's 180 grain Steel Match traveling at 950fps is some very soft shooting ammo, and accurate to boot. Handguns magazine just had an article on it which prompted me to buy some to try out. I have never run across any .40S&W (that I didn't load myself) that shot any easier in my GLOCK 23. It was very accurate and well manufactured. The cases aren't re-loadable, but then if you reload, you can already load up any velocity you want.

    Note: I shoot full power ammo in my .40 and have no real problem with the recoil level. I also own a Glock 20 in 10mm, and shoot full power loads in it. So, please save any macho lectures that are bubbling up inside some of you for another time. Soft shooting ammo can be fun for the shooting public as well. :)
     
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    I handload 40 with 180g moly and 3.4gr tg - very soft shooting for steel or simple minor.
     
  3. greenlion

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    According to Hornady's website these .40's (and the .45's) should make major power factor.
     
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    180@950

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    Is this not the original spec and loading for the cartridge? How would it recoil less?
     
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    Price?
     
  7. greenlion

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    I think most companies now load 180 grain .40S&W to at least 980fps, if not much more. The article in Handguns Magazine chrono'd this same round at 911fps, so it may be a bit slower than Hornady advertises. This is definitely the softest shooting factory .40S&W I have ever used. Try it for yourself. It certainly won't break the bank price-wise.
     
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    right under 20 dollars a box.
     
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    A bargain! *cough*
     
  10. ugaarguy

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    The heavier bullet at lower velocity gives the recoil a feel that is perceived as more of a slow push than the fast snap of the lighter bullets at higher velocities. This is the same reason that most folks perceive standard pressure 230gr .45 ACP recoil to be less than the recoil from most (if not all) .40 S&W loads. Basically, using the slower loading spreads the recoil force across a longer amount of time, which makes it feel like less recoil.
     
  11. greenlion

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    That's because it IS less recoil.... because it is going slower.....
     
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    Yeah, I know its not the cheapest ammo on the market, but keep in mind it is loaded with Hornady's accurate HAP competition hollowpoints. These are not basic round nose ball ammo like all the bargain-basement rounds. I'm not suggesting them for their price, but for soft recoil and accuracy.
     
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    Of 50?
     
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    180 gr TCFP with 3.8-4.1 gr of W231/HP-38 will produce mild softer recoil than 9mm loads that are very accurate.

    I used this load to transition many 9mm shooters to 40S&W. Once they get over the initial shock at the "lack of snappy recoil", I incrementally increase the powder charge to max.

    Cost? About $7 for 50. :D
     
  15. greenlion

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    Yeah, I reload my own too, using Berry's plated bullets most of the time. For the shooter that does not handload, though, low recoiling rounds for the .40 are sometimes hard to find.

    The American Eagle line from Federal use to have a very low recoil 165 grain practice round, but they recently bumped the velocity up 50 fps or more on that load as well, and it lost its previous recoil characteristics. I use to buy that one a lot when a new shooter wanted to try a .40S&W
     
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    I don't get thinking the .40 is too snappy... Is that for people who only shoot .22s?
     
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    I have never owned or shot .40SW but have used .45ACP quite a bit. I bought Remington subsonic HPs to try out. The difference in velocity between that and standard load is about same as we have here. I could not detect any difference in felt recoil. The only way I would try this Hornady ammo is if it was cheaper then brass cased fmjs places like Walmart sell.
     
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    It's people that aren't used to it yet.
     
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    GOOGLED ".40S&W + Snappy Recoil" 129,000 results containing those combined words.
     
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    Yeah...my wife shoots a .22 and anything bigger than that has too much recoil. I think their are a lot of shooters who need laser pistols with zero recoil. Hey it is a frigging weapon and it ought to "bark" a little. I think powerful handguns are a lot less messy than swords and clubs.
     
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    pmc bronze is probably one of the lightest recoiling 40cals fmj's out there.

    180gr HST is very soft recoiling jhp ammo as well.
     
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    Federal EFMJ is the softest shooting factory .40 ammo I've come across. The bullets are full of plastic and very long for 165's. They were a steal online about a year ago.
     
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    I guess I wouldn't recommend someone starting off with .40. Let them shoot the S&W .460, then a .22, and show them that 9mm, .40, and .45 aren't so bad. LOL
     
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    A few years back, my then 22yo son announced he wanted to shoot every one of my guns. As expected the .22s were gentle, the 9mm was good, the .357 mag was stout with full power loads in a 4" barrel and the .40 was just too uncomfortable. Then he fired my Super Blackhawk a few times (245 grain cast SWC/24 grains H110) and got his first taste of what handgun recoil was all about. After a dozen or so .44 Mag rounds, he decided the .40 S&W was not so bad after all.

    It's all about perspective. Those of us who cut our teeth on magnum revolvers have a totally different take on what's "snappy" and what's not. So, my take on the gentlest .40 S&W round is exposure to a few large caliber magnum revolver loads. Certain cartridges are just not meant for certain people.
     
  25. GreyCoupe

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    First, I stick to .40s that are full steel framed so there is more weight to the gun itself, which reduces perceived snap.

    But the big difference for me is in bullet weight. I bought a lot of the 135 grain Winchester Ranger and it seems to be more tame. Try ammo with lower bullet weights and see if it helps.
     
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