Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Keyfer 55, Nov 17, 2018.
Who would want a 410 rifled barrel???
Someone who does. And, because they can. Pretty simple really.
Doesn't make a lot of sense, at least until someone develops saboted 410 bore slugs. I think if I had a double rifled 410, however ever, I would make up a mould to cast proper bullets. Unfortunately, that light little handy gun would not be deer legal in my state.
O.K. I guess it doesn't make sense for me.
My Contender shoots 45s well but has to have the choke tube on to pattern shot well.
^ and as a solution to a regulatory problem. For example, in a shotgun only GMU perhaps. I know a chap who loads his own 410 hulls, cut to length and skived out to take 44 cal pistol bullets for use with an H&R 444. For the purposes of the regulatory regime he was operating in, the plastic hull was apparently a stipulation. Pretty niche market however...
So that they can call it a .45 colt and, thus, justify the .410 as a short barreled shotgun with pistol only grip.
That's what Thompson Center arms did and won a lawsuit with BATF over it. So, on the backs of T/C rides the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor.
Hoening Big Bore South used to make a fully rifled 410 slug barrels for T/C Encore and IIRC some bolt actions. The performance they got both in accuracy and energy was pretty good. Unfortunately I believe they went it of business.
It was definitely a reaction to hunting regulations like Ohio and a few other mid west states have or had. I spent a fair number off years hunting deer in Ohio with a 410 slug-gun because it was the only way I could legally hunt with a lever gun. IMHO the 410 is a bit under appreciated, I had allot of fun hunting everything from dove to deer with my Winchester 9410.
Thankfully those days are behind us.
Where is he located? I've never heard of an area that stipulated plastic hulls specifically. Shotgun only, sure, but most don't say anything about the hull material.
I sometimes hunt with my 10" Contender with the choke removed in .45 Colt. It's only about 2" at 25 yards accurate, but that's plenty good when you're limited to 40 yards in thick woods. I have other barrels in rifle calibers, though, but I just kinda like the old .45 Colt/.410 barrel. Have yet to shoot anything with it, but small game, snakes, and dove with the .410 choke installed, though. And, I do have a 4 5/8" Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt that's twice as accurate.
My first Contender 45/410 would not shoot anything hotter than factory 45 Colt worth a hoot. I finally got some 2 1/2" brass 410 shells, a 300 grain Gould hollow point mould for the 45-70 and loaded some deer thumpers. Getting that slug right up by the lands and casting/sizing to .454 made a big difference. The old "take a run" at the rifling just didn't work with short shells. Oh, yeah. Loaded the 300s out to almost touch the lands and cast them hard. Don't know if they expanded as they went through the one deer I shot with it.
I stick with jacketed bullets in .45 Colt hot loads, push a 300 grain XTP near 1300 fps in the contender, reasonable accuracy and no leading. There's a European rifle round that some use the brass off of to get that bullet closer to the lands, don't recall the brass, but I ain't that serious about the .45 colt/.410 barrel. If I want minute of angle accuracy, I'll install my .30-30 barrel.
A rifled 410 barrel launching a 357 HP in a sabot could have an interesting potential in a shotgun only area.
The People's Socialistic Republik of New York:
"Shotgun - is a firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches that uses shells that are nonmetallic except for the base."
Won't work in Illinois. 20 gauge or larger and I believe .45 cal or larger bullet, at least for muzzle loaders and sabots. I agree that it would be neat.
I've thought about it, but there are better options .
I like those 20 ga bolt action!!
I would buy one if it were priced well. I started off deer hunting with a 410 and slugs. Never got the chance to drop the hammer on a deer, but I went through 2 boxes of 5 slugs that year. One box practicing at 50 yards, the other on coyotes that kept running past my stand. I scored hits with every shot, and got a pass-through double once. I would not feel under-gunned in a thick piece of ground, but I would admittedly prefer a 20ga.
I shot several feral dogs with a 410 Slug and it did the job!
I would love a 410 rifles barrel to play with!
In TN many WMA hunts are shotgun (slug) or Muzzleloader only. I have given some thought to an Encore 410/45 colt rifled 26 inch custom barrel. Theoretically you could load the plastic hull with MMP 45 cal sabots over the powder. The MMP sabots take a 40 cal bullet. I am currently stuck at the point of what type of shotgun powder (Blue Dot, 800x, etc), and whether you would have enough muzzle energy to make cost of the barrel worthwhile. I would like to know where the weak points of the idea are (note the plural).
I suppose that whoever wrote that never heard of brass hulls.
Not sure the TWRA would consider a projectile fired from a brass hull in a rifled barrel a shotgun. Also, not sure I would want to pay the court costs to find out. Still would like to know the value of the barrel concept.
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