.41AE simple question

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  1. KCJ

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    I know that the .41AE hasn't been available in the U.S. for more than 15 years, but does anyone know if it is still available outside the U.S.
     
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    I didn't see it when I spent years outside of the US. However, it would be a small sample size for me (10 countries or so).

    I'm not sure it ever had much of a following outside of the US.
     
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    I know the guy who designed that cartridge and it'd surprise me to find out it ever really got into service in any capacity outside the USA. It's timing was destroyed by the advent of the 40S&W.

    And so it goes...
     
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    Qual-Cart still lists .41AE brass.

    I thought Starline made brass for it, but I didn't see any on their web site a moment ago.
     
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    The inventor, Evan Whildin, passed away a good few years ago now.
    I don't recall if anyone other than IMI ever produced the round commercially, and they stopped after a short time. The .40 S&W kind of killed the AE.
     
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    I remember seeing a .41AE conversion kit for a Browning Hi-Power shortly after the round was introduced. The price on the conversion assembly was nearly that of a new gun and ammo for it was nowhere to be found. Passed on the conversion idea and eventually went with a .40 S&W instead.
     
  8. KCJ

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    Thanks for all the great responses, my question has been answered. I'll just keep shooting my TA90 in 9mm mod until TSHTF. Other than for the power of S&W, I can't believe that all the "Wonder 9'ers didn't jump on this up-grade, go figure. I saw the storm coming and bought up all the .41AE I could for $7>10 a box years ago. I bought 7 boxes from one guy who was thrilled that he didn't get stuck with that crap!
     
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    Yeah, timing is everything. And the .40 S&W being introduced at about the same time really did kill off what in my mind was the better round.

    I like the idea of being able to change calibers with no more than a barrel and maybe a magazine swap. The .41 AE was designed with easy caliber conversions in mind, having a rebated rim, the same diameter as the 9x19.

    Too bad S&W didn't do the same thing with the .40.
     
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    The .40 came from making the 10mm shorter and easier to shoot, since it wasn't designed from the start to be its own round I think S&W had to stick to what it had in the 10mm parent.
     
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    As I recall, the .40 SW was their entry in the FBI competition for a new sidearm. They wanted something larger than the 9mm but less than .45 acp. Cutting down the 10mm was their answer. Though I have never see it documented, I am sure the .41AE heavily influenced the .40 ballistics, several sources tell you to use .40 loading data for the .41.
    I find it interesting that this cartridge was targeted at the American market and was never noticed elsewhere.
     
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    Because it was invented by Evan Whildin, at Action Arms in Philadelphia, a major dealer/importer for IMI. Everyone else was happy with pistols in 9x19 except Americans who wanted something bigger.
     
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