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.44 mag vs 30/30 in 16 inch barrel

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Ed76, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. KsSkaEnthusiast

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    In my neck of the woods recently 30-30 isnt even available anymore and when it is, it is the same price as 30-06, .270 win, 308 etc at a buck a round or more. 44 mag is available in semi jacket soft points, lead and fmjs are all anywhere from 25-40 per box of 50 but also available in store. In my experience the cheapest 44 mag was cheaper than the cheapest 30-30 but that might not be the same for everyone.
     
  2. mavracer

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    Still didn't answer my question. The discussion was bullets of the same weight but different starting diameters.
    130gr .277 vs 130gr .308.
    From personal experience with both bullets I'd take the 130gr .308 Speer bullet that Risky business is using over a Sierra 130gr .277.
    Bullet constitution> sectional density
     
  3. horsey300

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    The origin of your statement was expansion kills sd. If we are to cherry pick, 1, I'd not lead with a varmint bullet for heavier game as was implied, 2, not a big fan of .277 But since that's where we are= 129 lrx, 130 gmx, 130 sst (if we want to match bullet construction), 130 interbond, 130 pro hunter, 130 t/ttsx, 130 partition, 130 btip, 130 etip, 130 a-frame, 130 scirocco..... Not even getting into norma or Berger here. We could even go to the 6.8 spc accubonds etc and drop the .30 too. You'll have a hard time convincing me that a .30 130 gr varmint bullet is better for anything of stronger constitution than deer than any of the above mentioned pills.
     
  4. mavracer

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    I suppose "IF YOU CHERRY PICK"
    But if you follow the quote chain in THIS THREAD you would see I was responding to hossfly's assertion that the 130gr 270 was better than the 130gr Speer 30 cal that Risky business identified due to sectional density.
    I didn't cherry pick I literally referenced the 130gr Speer FN that Risky business used (not a varmint bullet BTW) and a 130gr 270 that I had personal experience with.
    Yep BULLET CONSTRUCTION makes those better than the 130 Sierra dad used to use not SD as their SD is the same.
    Maybe you should educate yourself.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010536877

    Again not a varmint bullet. And no I probably wouldn't use it on elk, I wouldn't use 130gr anything on elk, then again you brought "130gr good for elk" to the conversation. But given the choice between only THAT 130gr .30 and a 130 gr 270 cup and core, I'd take the 30 because BULLET CONSTRUCTION > SECTIONAL DENSITY
     
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    I agree. I missed the context of your statement.

    I also agree that construction is the single biggest factor affecting terminal performance. This is what makes it such a challenge to compare bullets of different weights, diameters and types. Not to mention the role of impact velocity. There are a lot of variables to consider.
     
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  6. rkittine

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    am a .44 Magnum Fan and when I used to hunt, like to carry a Ruger Deer Slayer .44 Semi Auto and a Model 29 S&W if I was hunting in brush.

    Bob
     
  7. horsey300

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    I understand you are talking about the 130 hot cor and at slower speeds it does its job on deer quite well, I will still reference it and the 110s as varmint bullets as they are on the LIGHT for caliber side, and the hot core is neither a mono not bonded (albeit pseudo bonded by speer's advertisement, I've blown enough of them apart to know the difference between real bonding vs hot cor). At slower speeds, many varmint bullets will hold together well enough, and in the .30-30/aac class of cartridges it is a great combination. Upon expansion, shorter bullets will have a harder time holding together/tracking straight than longer bullets, thus sd is not thrown out the window, the only neutralizers of sd are premium construction, i.e. partition, mono, bonded, as the pieces will penetrate farther than traditional c&c bullets of equal weight.
    I don't disagree with your assertion of better construction nullifying sd one bit, bullet construction is absolutely a key factor. Another key factor would include impact velocity. I bring up larger game than deer because honestly just about anything will kill a deer when used properly (I believe risky business has a great deer combo) on larger game, higher speed impacts, etc the 130 .277 bullets will still get the job done better than a 130 .30, just as a slew of 6 and 6.5 and 7 bullets of appropriate construction will. Of the .277 bullets referenced, the sst and the prohunter are both cup and core, and while the sst is an explosive bullet best used at longer ranges, they will both outperform the .30 130s on heavier game and without premium bullets, sd is not null and void. Cartridges can absolutely punch above their traditional class due to modern powders and bullet technology, but light for caliber bullets of mediocre construction still have to play by the rules. On that note, if we skip to a 110-130 Barnes designed for aac/30-30 velocities, the .30/130 becomes a different game altogether and yes makes the argument that sd will be less relevant.
    None of the Barnes are necessary to kill a deer (unless in a lf zone of course), that being said, if I were to pick a light for caliber bullet for a .30 to take on the same game that other bullets of higher sectional density in other cartridges are capable of, I'd not count on hot cors or other cup and cores.
     
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  8. mavracer

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    You're entitled to do dumb things I guess, but the 130 Speer FP is not in the same class as the 110-130 varmint bullets.
    Not true at all holding together is totally dependent on bullet construction and long bullets are more likely to tumble and deflect than short fat ones.
    Damn it was a long trip around the barn but yes for the third time
    BULLET CONSTRUCTION > SECTIONAL DENSITY
    From experience I'd absolutely count on THAT ONE and the 180 .308 RN I use in my Krag.
     
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    I have both and, other than capacity and a little bit of 'handiness', I don't see the advantage of the pistol-caliber carbine. They both can be downloaded to plinkers, or loaded hot. But the 30-30 can, with the LeverEvolution bullets, reach out twice as far. That said, I shoot the pistol-caliber rifle often, just for fun, and reloading is a little easier. But if I had to only have 'one gun', I would pick the 30-30 over the .44.
     
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