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.44 Ruger Automatic

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nickotym, Oct 20, 2003.

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  1. Nickotym

    Nickotym Member

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    I am reading The Dark Tower series by Stephen King at present. In the third book, one of the characters takes his father's ".44 Ruger automatic."

    Does or did Ruger make such a gun in real life?


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    In a carbine.
     
  3. Lightsped

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    Seems like I have seen a 44 Ruger semiauto pistol before. If I recall correctly, it looked similar to the Ruger 22 MkII pistols, only much bigger.
     
  4. Wedge

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    In the second book the gunslinger buys some .45 Winchester cartridges that were supposably very old style. I have never heard of that caliber either.
     
  5. 4v50 Gary

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    Ruger never made a 44 caliber semi-automatic pistol. The book is probably in reference to the old 44 Mag rifle that looked like the 10/22.
     
  6. Wedge

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    Nope. The book is totally talking about a handgun. The kid had it in his backpack when he went to the other world.
     
  7. Dr.Rob

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    There are a LOT of gun mistakes in the series.

    I was particularlymiffed at the end of one book Roland comes back from NYC with 2 cop revolvers and a bunch of bullets, at the start of thenext book he (King) totally FORGETS that he had this happen, the guns and bullets dissapear.

    The 44 Ruger automatic doesn't exist. And even if it did.. the kid never uses it anyway.
     
  8. Nickotym

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    Right, I was looking for Eddie and Susannah to use the cop guns so they could conceivably have two each. Another thing that doesn't make sense is that Roland, Eddie and Susannah each seem to have a gun, but they are all the same caliber.

    My guess on Roland's cartridge is that maybe it it supposed to be a .45 Long Colt.


    Jake, the kid never uses the .44 semiauto, but Eddie does.
     
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    Not a bad idea!

    Ruger should look into it. The mark II's in .44 mag. 8 rd. mag, might be nice.
     
  10. Wedge

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    That would be a sweet gun

    If only Ruger could make the slide and safety a little more intuitive a .44 mag Mark 44 would be pretty sweet.

    I kind of figured that Roland's guns were chambered in .45 colt. I thought that Roland only came back holding the bullets but I could be wrong.
     
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    Stephen King also wrote about a side-by-side shotty sawed off so short the ends of the shells showed, an M-16 that recoiled so hard it battered the shooter's arms and was uncontrollable, and a double-barrel pump-action shotgun. The man simply didn't bother to do five minutes of research before writing about guns.
     
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    This is what I was thinking of.... In my opinion it does kind of look like a Ruger Mk II.

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    Stephen King has admitted to taking several hundred hits of acid during his lifetime, probably helped his writing but not his grip on reality.
     
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    I would not think Steven King would know a gun from a hole in the ground.
     
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    If Ruger made the Automag I'd buy one.

    Those go in and out of production every few years. Hi standard, AMP and others have made the auto mag.
     
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    Oh and Roland even went to a gunshop, looked to see that the cartridges had the SAME markings as the ones in the cop guns, stuffed the boxes shells into his underwear and had the gun belts on him.

    (it was a strange scene indeed)

    Roland claims to 'never to have had such bounty"

    Then at the start of the next book they are just gone. Poof, didn't exist.

    You'd THINK he's be out of bullets by now.
     
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    Few novelists are very knowledgeable about firearms. Stephen Hunter is one of the few who is. Even someone who should know better, Tom Clancy, once described ejected cases from a S&W 1076 as being made from stainless steel. Ruger does not make and never made a .44 caliber auto pistol. They do and did make a .44 Magnum autoloading carbine, but I don't think King had that in mind. ;)
     
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    I think he musta just miss-typed "Ruger .45 Automatic".
     
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    At the beggining of the Waste Lands King mentions that Roland had brought back "over two hundred" rounds of ammo. Basically saying "Hey readers im sick of keeping track so just pretend its a movie and dont bother counting." As far as the .44 Ruger it didnt make any sense to me either.
     
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    There's .45 Winchester Magnum, not really old style but whatever. I think the AMT Automag IV was chambered for it.
     
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    The facts are probably nothing more than King didn't keep track of how much ammunition Roland brought back, the police guns, etc. However, all readers should keep in mind with regards to the Ruger .44 automatic and other non-existent guns that the worlds those characters come from are not our world. They are very similar to our world in some ways, it is true. Their worlds aren't even identical to each other. In Wizards and Glass Roland and company enter the world of The Stand. Eddie and Jake think it is their own world until they notice that some details, the make of a car for instance, are different. Bottom line? Jake isn't from our world. Neither is Eddie, nor any of the other characters. Maybe in Jake's world, Ruger did/does make a .44 automatic. Maybe they also support the right of "honest men" to have magazines of more than 10 rounds, too.
    The gunslinger books kind of nicely illustrate King's attitude towards guns. He's fascinated by them, afraid of them, and only knows a little about them. He believes that they should be in the hands of a only a few. In Roland's world, gunslingers pretty much have the monopoly on lawful use of guns.
     
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    golgo beat me to it....the worlds are similar, but have very distinct differences.
    i'm re-reading Wizard & Glass, well actually i skipped over the stupid nonsense and went straight to the battle between Roland and his gunslingers vs Jonas and his harriers.

    an interesting note that drives home the point that 'time is different' in rolands world: when Roland was in Mejis as a young man, they spoke of Lord Perth and how he fell from the sky. in book three though, when rolends ka-tet were going into Lud, they saw the corpse of Lord Perth, in the german plane. and they met Perths grandson or great-grandson, i forget which.
     
  23. Sean Smith

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    Stephen King's "Gunslinger" series is pretty far removed from ANY reality. Nitpicking its gun facts is pretty insane as a result.
     
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    In reading about King's understanding of firearms (I think this was in his book, "On Writing"), he discussed that he really doesn't know too much about firearms, and that one of his friends who IS a gun afficianado often gets to read a draft and suggest corrections.

    Of course, I also seem to remember some Ludlum novels where a character "flicks off the safety" on the Glock he picked up. I can forgive King for a fantasy-type novel, but I really do appreciate my spy novels being a little more accurate :)
     
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    I think you're right about that.

    I liked the Dark Tower books - the whole alternate-reality Western thing is a pretty neat concept.

    King's gun knowledge is pretty abysmal, though.

    I read (I was bored!) the lame "Dreamcatcher" book (my wife got an advance copy for free! Quit looking at me like that!!!) and the MP5 "carbine" apparently fired 5.56 NATO. I guess those spec ops guys had their own custom armory or something...
     
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