Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by trekker73, Jul 31, 2022.
I think the 44 Spc would be easier on the ears. Probably carry more energy to the target at 50 yds.
Of course there is the whole shot placement thing to consider.
Yeah, I'd probably go with 44 Spc.
This is assuming we aren't talking about squirrel hunting, but more like coyotes, hogs, deer, etc.
Caution about a year ago:- needed to load up a batch of these - sadly it appears CPC has stopped producing this plain base bullet (BOO, Hiss - Cpc). They make a similar "260" gr bullet with a gas check, use this in 44 Mag loads - works well there at approx 1200 fps. 2400 supply is running low- have not had a chance to work up the Gas check version in 44 Spl.
Better IMHO - than 180 gr 357 loads on deer size game, if nothing bigger than rabbit, coon, etc - 357 might be flatter shooting. However prefer the 44 in either case.
As @Vern Humphrey states the .45 Colt is a great choice for all the same reasons.
How do you figure that? The .357 needs an expanding bullet to be effective and that decreases the odds of a pass through.
My thoughts exactly as to the .44 Spl...bigger slug in weight and frontal area make it a better killer at lower levels than the .357. With any modern .44 Special of Ruger or S&W make (not one of the Charter offerings however), the Keith designed 429421 Lyman bullet or the Thompson gas-checked version, 429244 or 44215, will make up into a first rate .44 Spl hunting load at what would be +P levels if such a SAAMI testing were available...
For well tested and tried loads with a variety of .44 Spl guns, do a search for Brian Pearce's excellent Handloader article on this venerable caliber. His research offers several pressure levels for various makes of guns.
Many us who reload, have worked up .44 Spl. loads that will produce 1200 fps out of a 6" bbl., and safely too, with 2400, Accurate #9 and Herco. But as one poster above noted, Skelton's classic (7.5 gr of Unique in Spl. brass backing any good 240 gr LSWC for 950-1000 fps) is as good an all-purpose load as any and better than most. We've used it here on our farm to put down several horses in fact. It's more than enough for deer out to 50 yds from a handgun, if YOU have the skill to ensure good shot placement.
But the .44 Spl. is a handloader's caliber first and foremost, and that's a big drawback for those who don't load their own...while it's probably too much for small game unless head/neck shots are taken, but it'll do quite nicely for deer, hogs, or self defense.
Best Regards, Rod
I shoot a ton of cast 265gn h&g5#503 Keith swc over 7.5gn of unique. Great shooting load from my flattop blackhawk, total confidence in it to take most any game. I plan on using it for deer and pigs this year.
I have not hunted big game with the .357 Magnum. I have thought about it for decades, but just don't quite have the confidence in it. With solids, the hole just isn't as big as I'd like, and with JHPs the penetration isn't there, at least for less-than-perfect presentations. And yes, I know the grand old cartridge has been successfully used countless times, even by Skeeter himself.
At this point, I'm unlikely to ever try big game hunting with the .357 Magnum. If I do, it will be with a 158 JHP driven as hard as the gun will take, and the shot will be broadside into the lungs.
I have a Model 28 6" in 357 and a Ruger Flattop 44spl with 4 5/8" barrel. I'm loading up some Skeeter loads for the 44spl and will hunt deer with it this year. I shot a javelina 35 years ago with the 357. I don't think I would use it on a deer since I have my 44.
With the price of meat one will have to hunt squirrels.
Don't use the hollow point bullet. Hornady 158 xtp flat nose work great out to 50 yards.
I hear this all the time with 41mag vs 44mag. Really? At 50 yards what is the actual difference? 1"? At 100 yards, maybe worth discussing. I'd bet very few people have any business shooting at game over 50 yards. Let's call a spade a spade.
In all the reading I have done of things authored by EK, I do not recall him ever saying that about the 357 S&W Magnum. I remember him heaping praise on the 44 S&W Special and even the 45 long Colt but nothing on the small bore. He said that if he were restricted to factory loads in his house revolvers he would prefer the Remington black powder load in the 45 long Colt.
It’s a green apples to red apples comparison. They do the same job but very differently. Big hole, high mass, high speed. That’d be the .357. A .44 is just a bigger hole and higher mass, but in a Special you’re losing the high speed.
Personally, I don’t load “+P” in anything. Borderline, yes, but I don’t color outside the lines. Even my .38/44 loads are lower charges than published .38Spl +P beyond the overlap for “large-frame/heavy pistol” loads. The gun’s configuration makes a huge difference. Need more info.
He said that before the .357 came out.
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