Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by slitrik, Sep 10, 2011.
But has the .30-30 taken an elephant and similar game reliably? I'd like to see a .30-30 shoot through a buffalo too. All cartridges have their pluses and minuses. If you want to hit that whitetail deer at 200 yards, you'd of course use a .30-30, but if you wanted to whack that elk at 100 yards, the .44 Magnum will be a better round.
You're right in that the .30-30 is a longer ranged round, i.e., 200 yards compared to about 125; no one would dispute that. This thread is talking about short ranged 20 gauge slugs versus a short ranged rifle.
Toy? Gimmick??? The African Big Five were taken with the .44Mag before it was fashionable. Toy? Not hardly. Showing some ignorance? I believe so. Big time.
I do believe I said in my first post referencing the .30-30 that:
If the 20ga recoil was too stout the 50 might be also.
The 44 mag is perfectly legal to hunt in Indiana in both pistol (4in or longer) and carbine length.
These are some VERY restrictive Rifle/Shotgun rules.
Honestly, looking at these, I'd go with 20ga Rifled Slug 2 3/4"
Get a PISTOL in a rifle caliber... like 7.62x39mm Pistol.
Why? At 100 yards, give me my .30-30 any day for elk....
My considerations would have more to do with the cost of good practice and possibly recoil than any other hair splitting sub-topic.
An interesting idea for less expensive 20 ga sabot slug practice may be these
I haven't tried them myself so I can't attest to accuracy. Still, handloading with them would be a lot less expensive than with the premium sabot loads offered by the major ammo manufacturers.
To save money, just get good with the gun you have. However, if you need to justify a new gun purchase to yourself or others (wife?) I'm sure we can all make a good case for why a .44 carbine is lightyears beyond what a 20 ga slug gun can do.
A 270gr-300gr .44Mag will break heavy bones and fully penetrate from nearly any angle. It doesn't have to expand to be effective.
For elk, i'd take a 30-30 170NP over my 44 mag every time...
To the OP, get the 44 mag., your chances of practiseing with it are a LOT better than a 20ga. slug bbl. and that's important!
please read the OP. He is asking about a rifled slug, out of a smoothbore, at 125yds. The slug (not sabot) is diving for the ground at 125 yds. Sure it will have lots of energy to dig a hole. You need to eliminate energy when comparing the two, and look at trajectory IMHO. Getting back to the OP, I believe the 44mag is more suited to his scenario
Missed that part.
It seems to me like the OP may just really want a .44 mag carbine. The only justification needed should be "because I want one".
Think again. As stated before, the .44Mag has been used to successfully take all the African Big Five. It is illegal to use anything as small as the .30-30 to take elephant so any discussion on that point is irrelevant.
1. Few ranges in my area allow slugs to be fired at all. We can shoot 44 mag anywhere;
2. The 44 mag recoils less. This is a major factor for my son;
3. The 44 mag is (in my opinion) more accurate with a wider variety of available ammo;
4. We can shoot relatively inexpensive 44 cowboy loads for practice;
5. The 44 gives me an excuse to buy a matching revolver (as if I needed an excuse).
6. The 44 carbines are lighter and handier.
I believe that both the 44 and the 20 will kill a deer stone dead. I just think the experience will be easier and more enjoyable with the 44, especially for my boy.
One thing: .44 Magnum from a rifle will expand and fragment just as well as a .30-30 with the same type of bullet within its effective range, which means it'll make a bigger wound there too. A 240 grain JHP/JSP at 1900 FPS makes a devastating wound due to fragmentation and expansion on thin skinned stuff; it's like a .30-30 JSP, just bigger.
I now have some 44NP's, but i haven't shot anything with them, so perhaps the tide has turned? Until a bit more testing is done, i'll still take the 30-30, because it shoots flatter, with less recoil and is plenty of cartridge for the short ranges we are talking about here.
Recoil is truly a subjective thing as I have NEVER thought the .44Mag carbine recoiled more than a .30-30. I remember the first time I shot my Marlin 1894S how it startled me that it was so pleasant to shoot with full power loads.
30-30 shoots a lot flatter too...
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