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45-70 recoil wasn't bad at all...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mossy Bloke, Dec 26, 2002.

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  1. Mossy Bloke

    Mossy Bloke Member

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    Shot my brand new 45-70 yesterday afternoon. After reading so much about how bad the recoil was, I expected to get kicked in the shoulder by a horse when I shot it. It wasn't any big deal at all though.

    Granted, I was shooting factory Rem 300 Gr bullets, but I still thought it'd make me wince.

    I'm not exactly looking to get kicked in the cheek, but just thought I'd share my experience with the rest of you.

    Looking forward to getting started reloading for it soon.
     
  2. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Wait till you start shooting those 500 grainers----lol
     
  3. KMKeller

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    I had last shot a 45-70 when I was about 12 years old and remembered the kick. I recently bought a Marlin 45-70 GG and was anticipating the kick I remembered. It was obviously nowhere near as strong as I remembered (being 6'1" and around 240). It is actually pretty pleasant to shoot.
     
  4. 444

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    A buddy of mine has a Marlin that he loads to the max. Believe me, it kicks like a mule. I don't remember the load but it was a Barnes bullet, I believe it was right around 400 grains. He set me up the first time I shot it. We were shooting from a benchrest and he asked if I would like to try it. I fired a shot and it blew my hat, ear muffs, and glasses off my head. I pretended that it didn't bother me and fired another round. One the second one I caught the scope in the eye. I turned around and two of my buddies were laughing as they took pictures. Wait till you try some hot loads. It isn't anything to get all worked up about, after all it is just a jab to the shoulder for a fraction of a second, but it definitely beats anything I own including my .338 Win Mag or a shotgun slug by a long way.
     
  5. Correia

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    I like shooting 45-70. I find it to be more of a long push than a sharp crack. Sure you can fire some mutant loads through it, but for the most part I think it is pretty mild. But then again, I like shooting shotgun slugs too. :)

    I think part of the reputation of the 45-70 being such a kicker is that the average US cav. soldier was around 5'6" 140 lbs, malnourished, and with back problems from riding a horse non stop for months on end. (watched Discovery channel about the Little Big Horn last night).
     
  6. telewinz

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    Years ago I 'touched off' a Ruger #3 with a HOT 45/70 reload (150fps less than 458 Winchester Mag). I had my Army field jacket on, a bunched-up towel over my right shoulder, and a slip-on recoil pad on the butt stock. I needed every bid of the protection. After the 3rd shot I looked behind me and and the 4 other people at the range had wandered over to see "what cannon I was shooting".:D It was worth it.
     
  7. Keith

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    With any rifle, just standing up and shooting it offhand will reduce the "felt" recoil by half. A standing man bends and absorbs recoil, a man hunched over a shooting bench doesn't.

    Keith
     
  8. Frohickey

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    It also depends on what you are shooting.

    Factory loads for 45/70 are generally made to mimic cowboy or mild loads because manufacturers have to cater to the crowd that has the older guns.
    The Marlin, Ruger, and most modern firearms can handle greater pressures, much greater than what the black powder loads put out.

    A 45/70 handload, or a Garrett load will hurt more... on both ends. :D
     
  9. Sisco

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    The only one I ever shot is a custom built on a Siamese Mauser action. I beleive the bullets were 500gr lead, recoil was much less than I expected. Fourteen year old son got a kick (no pun intended) out of it too.
    [​IMG]
     
  10. RustyHammer

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    How did it do at the 65-yard range you were speaking of in your other post? Have you scoped it yet?

    They're great guns, especially for the brush.
     
  11. ninenot

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    My son-in-law has a Marlin chambered in .45-70 and handloads a 450gr bullet--no idea what powder charge he uses. Fired three rounds at his invitation, 100-yard range. Happy to say that the recoil was not worse than my 180-grain 30-06 bolt; and that I was able to place 3 rounds (bench, elbow rested) EXACTLY where I wanted to. Damn good rifle.

    Recoil? What recoil? We don't HAVE no stinkin' recoil, here....
     
  12. Gewehr98

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    Using my Ruger #1S in .45-70...

    I can run a bunch of 405gr swaged lead blackpowder loads all day long without ill effect.

    Jacketed or Beartooth hardcast gas-checked 405gr bullets on top of a full case of Reloder 7 will send me home from the range after about 10 rounds, max. Capillaries in the shoulder look real pretty the next morning, too!
     
  13. Mossy Bloke

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    Rusty Hammer

    Never did get to shoot it while hunting. Didn't see the first deer. Haven't scoped it yet either. I'm hoping to put a fixed 4 power on it soon. Already installed a Pachmyar decelerator pad. I'll let you know how it does when I get it finished. I sure do like this gun.
     
  14. Iggy

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    Don't get me wrong.

    The Marlins and other carbines etc are wonderful rifles, but were not designed to be used with the barn burner cartridges that are coming out today..

    That is not to say that they can't handle them by any means..

    When the Marlin and Winchester saddle guns were developed it was for black powder loads etc..

    They were comfortable to shoot and dammed fine guns, but the were not ergonomically designed to absorb the recoil of the modern cartridges of today.

    I think a model 94 Winchester 30-30 is one of the hardest kicking( for the cartridge) rifles there is around.

    Somebody mentioned the Cavalry troopers and the need to reduce the bullet weight and powder charges in the carbine rounds. There is a lot of truth in that info.. A 45-70-500 will knock the snot out of you in a cavarly carbine.
    The Marlin and Winchesters etc are even lighter than the old Trapdoor Carbine..


    If you want to have an enjoyable time with a 45-70.. Load it to the velocity and with the bullet weights it was designed for.. Learn to shoot it using those criteria and you will enjoy shooting it and gain a great respect for the guns and the old timers who used them.

    I have taken antelope,coyotes,deer and elk with the ol 45-70 Gummint, I have hit a full size metal buffalo at a 1000 yrds, but not with a carbine..*G*.

    I am not demeaning the new uses for the 45-70's for hunting etc by any stretch of the imagination.. I may get one of the new Marlins myself.. I love the 45-70 cartridge and I would guess I have sent a ton of lead down range in 500 grn increments.

    I am just suggesting you try the original loads and find out how much fun a 45-70 really is.. Not how bad it hurts..

    You can put a Ferrari engine in a Model T and it will probably go 150 mph, but you ain't gonna enjoy the ride!!!
     
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  15. Glamdring

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    The other thing is that the Guide Guns are ported.
     
  16. elkhunter

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    When I bought my Marlin GG I thought the same thing you did Mossy. The remington factory 405's didn't kick near as bad as I thought they would. Then I loaded up some 350 grain Hornady's. Those were a little more stout. And a lot of fun. For about ten rounds or so. Vaporized a tin can of apple juice, and I still haven't found the bottom of the tin. hehehe.
     
  17. SteelyDan

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    With normal factory loads, the recoil just isn't a big deal. Seems comparable to a .30-06. In my opinion.
     
  18. Bob C

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    I have a Marlin 1895.

    My reloads with 300 and 350 grain bullets are in the "Level II" range, and recoil is comparable to a 30/06.

    I have fired several of the loads recommended by Elmer Keith in his writings, and their pressures were OK in my gun as I assembled them. Recoil was up to the .300 Winchester level.

    Thirty or so years ago a friend let me fire his Ruger #3 with some warmer 500 grain loads, and it was BRUTAL, worsened by the light weight, curved butt plate, and stock which was too short for me!
     
  19. c_yeager

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    I think that "Felt recoil" is VERY subjective. What is bad to one shooter isnt to another and visa versa. For example shooting 12ga slug rounds doesnt bother me at all (although my shoulder complains about it afterwards). But shooting a .357 mag snubbie makes me want to cry.
     
  20. go8dalejr

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    I load my own 300jhp max with 4064 imr they make most factory loads
    look like 22mag. I only want about 5 out of my marlin and i'am done!
     
  21. JShirley

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    With standard factory fodder, my 1895G doesn't kick badly, but it does "move" a lot. The scope came back and popped me the first three times I fired, until I learned to really lock my shoulder out. Luckily, I was wearing my Gargoyles!

    I imagine something like the new PMC 350 grain .45-70 will be at the upper limit of what I'd like to shoot for any length of time. I have fired a .458 Mag, and didn't think it was horrible, but I felt no need to keep blasting!

    John
     
  22. Pappy John

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    I used to have a Ruger #1 and put some outRAGEous stuff through it. Definitely not fun and games off the bench. You needed to stand up and roll with the punch.

    Now my only 45-70 is a Sharps 1874 replica with a 32" octagon barrel that sees a lot saner stuff. 480 gr of lead over 62 gr of BP. A nice thump that you could shoot all day. The low boom...the smoke...the smell...definitely a head turner at the range.
     
  23. Quartus

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    Now you need to try it (with some hot loads) in a Thompson Contender.


    YEEEEEHAW! :D
     
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    The modern Marlin 1895 guide gun is not related to the 1895 Marlin and was designed for smokeless.
     
  25. Pumpkinheaver

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    Shoot some good handloads through it and see how you like it! I loaded some 405gr remington bullets to about 1950 fps this summer, too much, it kicked like a damn mule. I shoot to have fun, those loads were not fun trust me. I switched powders and kept the speed down to 1650fps and it was much more managable.
     
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