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45-70 recoil ?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by chrisj08, Dec 12, 2006.

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  1. chrisj08

    chrisj08 Member

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    hey guys im new to this forum and i am fixing to buy a h&r single shot 45-70 i am not exactly the biggest guy in the world i am like 120 pounds and im just wondering how bad for instance a remington 300 grain factory load is gona buck me or something it kicks like anything u can tell me about the recoil of this gun like im almost 17 will it be that big of a deal for me to shoot or do any of u have any hand load recipies that reduces recoil i have seen a cuple on here already any information helps me a lot so please post what u know
     
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    My experience with factory loads, out of a Marlin 1895 rifle, was that it was a strong push but not painful. I'm sure you could work up a load that would hurt, but Remington of Federal 300 grain standard loads will just give you a strong shove as long as you shoulder the rifle correctly. A recoil pad will take all the sting out of it.

    jm
     
  4. chrisj08

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    im not too good at interpreting that chart but does that basicaly say that the 405 grain bullets kicks less than the 300 ???
     
  5. RecoilRob

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    The factory 405's are mild enough for a Trapdoor Springfield to use safely and are a pleasure to shoot in the Marlin Guide Gun.

    The 300's are a LOT faster and, although they weigh less, they kick a bit more and the muzzle blast from them is noticeably greater.

    If you have the ability to handload the 45/70 you can make anything from mild to retina-detatching WILD. I'd recommend a box or two of the Rem 405's to start with and see how you tolerate them before moving up to anything else.
     
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    You may also try inserting a few periods into that super long sentence.:neener:
     
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    My experience with a Marlin Guide Gun; the 405s DO kick less than the 300s. Neither is as abusive as, say, a lightweight '06, but they do get your attention.

    After having sat down (rather, stood up) and fired a box of 20 405gr reloads at one sitting, in under 10 mins, I don't think the .45-70 is unbearable by any means.

    I'm 150 pounds or so, but am accustomed to powerful long arms.
     
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    There's such a thing as Too Much Information. :D
     
  9. starsandstriper

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    shotguns?

    can any of you comparethe kick of the 45-70 to that of any particular shotgun with any particular load?
     
  10. Riktoven

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    I've only shot .45-70 in a handgun, so my comments may not mean much.

    It was painful, but only because of the funky lever hanging off the TC triggerguard. If it weren't for that, no problems for a handful of shots. I imagine out of a rifle it would be considerably less noticable.
     
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    Recoil affects folks differently. I believe the H&R is actually fairly heavy and that should help you. The 405's are not horrible but it is a centerfire rifle. Pull the gun back firm into your shoulder.Start off standing up as your body standing will move some while if you are sitting at a bench or prone you will take more of a pounding. If you are still unsure start with a slip on recoil pad over whatever comes on the H&R as standard. You might have to use a combination of some of these hints to be comfortable but I would think it is doable
     
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    I shoot a couple of 45-70's regularly. One is a Sharps, the other is a Winchester 1886 lever.

    To me, even 405g light loads in 45-70 are worse than most 30-06 or 308 Winchester. I have some 300 grain loads that are even worse.

    After about 20 rounds of 45-70, I am getting pretty tired of it, and after 40 rounds, I am ready to find something else to do, including taking some Motrin for the headache it has given me.

    45-70 is the only caliber I have that I routinely wear a recoil pad to shoot. That said, don't let the recoil scare you off... its part of the thrill of the 45-70.
     
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    Try using some punctuation!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I have an H&R single shot buffalo classic with the steel cressent butt plate and some of the factory loads can be fairly miseable to shoot. I found a hand load I like that is comfortable to shoot and very accurate. 57.0 grains of Varget with a 300 grain JHP bullet.
     
  15. Yeemix

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    Not trying to hijack your thread, but I was looking into the Marin 1895GS, and if I don't reload, what's about the cost of shooting this caliber?
     
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    Its somewhat high...I know Cabela's sells 45-70 cast loads in bulk...all in all your looking at approximately a dollar a round...

    Might I suggest a lee hand press and a small gathering of essential tools to make it somewhat cheaper...

    IMR-3031, Traillboss and RL-7 are three powders I tend to reach for when I am getting ready to roll some ammo for my TC carbine.


    Chirsj08,

    the 405's are actually some excellent rounds to play with...PMC makes a good cowboy action cast bullet round that is a powder puff compared to some other ammo out there...Winchester makes a stout loading with a 300 gr. Partition loading...that load killed a cheap scope after 3 rounds. :) Now it has a better scope that has lasted for a little while. That Handi-Rifle DOES weigh a bit more than my TC...its full Rynite and only tips the scales at about 6 lbs...it will let you know that your shooting a handfull...and that is with a muzzle-tamer...

    To compare...think about shooting a good 870 Express Magnum, loaded up with #4 Magnum Turkey loads...(I will get my birds from the freezer section, thank you) This is with MINE...never shot a Handi...

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  17. wanderinwalker

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    Doh!! :banghead:

    Anyway, as for comparison to a shotgun, I'd say the .45-70 is more pleasant than shooting magnum field loads from a 12ga, and more pleasant than slug loads from my 20ga. Either one is something that you'll notice, but it won't kill you.

    Cost wise, you're looking at $23+ a box of 20 if you don't reload. With reloading, it only costs about $38-45 per 100, which is certainly an improvement. And if you reload you can use Trail Boss, which is wickedly entertaining! :cool:
     
  18. Jim Watson

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    .45-70 kicks like a sob worse in a light rifle like handr
    reason i shoot a .38-55
     
  19. JCF

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    Well... recoil is highly subjective, but...

    I don't personally agree that the 45-70 "kicks like a SOB".

    I shoot 45-70 in a Marlin 1895G. It is equipped with the factory recoil pad. I have not found recoil to be any kind of problem whatsoever with any traditional factory loads. With light handloads it becomes a pussycat. Heavy handloads on the other hand can make it into a monster. My 14 year old son is able to shoot it all day long without complaint. If you can handle a 308, etc... you shouldn't have any problem with the 45-70. Throw on a decent recoil pad and you should be fine. Without a pad... well, that may be a bit much for you. My son's little 16" Winchester 94AE in 44mag hurts with hot loads and no pad.
     
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    The kick from a .45-70 is wonderful. It not only stimulates, but clears the sinuses and enhances regularity.
     
  21. X-Rap

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    45-70 reloading manuels show 3 catagories. The older trapdoor and blackpowder rifles, the new marlins, and the ruger no.1. I shoot the midrange in a guide gun and 12" contender. Both are ported and the rifle has a decent pad but you know when you shoot it. The h&r might equal the no.1 in which case you can load close to 458 Win. but that would certainly kick.
     
  22. Jim Watson

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    Well... recoil is highly subjective, but...

    You dang bet it is. I was trying to keep my reply at the Original Poster's level of literacy, but I really do find the .45-70's recoil to be objectionable. But I am a BPCR target shooter and have to fire a good number of accurate shots with full power (black powder) loads from a locked in buffalo stick position. Even with a heavy rifle and a Rand shoulder pad, I was a little punchy after a silhouette shoot with .45-70. So I shoot a .38-55 and put up with the occasional "rung" ram target.

    But I know a lot of folks who shoot .45-70s without complaint and a few who use something bigger yet. About as many who have gone to the .40s.

    Even the U.S. Army knew the .45-70 kicked; they had the separate .45-55-405 carbine load for the short guns.
     
  23. ETXhiker

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    DB Tanker, may I ask what the two scopes were? I'm wanting a low power scope for my Marlin '95 and wondering what will stand up to full house .45-70 loads?
     
  24. db_tanker

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    Stokey, you are crazy! LMAO :D



    ETXHiker,

    The first scope was a Simmons pistol scope...4x32 IIRC...after that I put a Weaver 4x32 and it was a real worker...that was as a pistol...that Weaver now resides on my 7-30 Waters...and still makes people smile when they shoot it...

    Now that I have it set up as a carbine there is a Nikon Monarch 2x7 on it...works like a champ.

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  25. X-Rap

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    One of my sons has a guide with 4x Leupold compact that works good. I have the XS ghost ring on mine and would try the scout mount and scope if I were to go with glass.
     
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