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45 ACP in Uberti SAA

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by wgf, May 30, 2013.

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  1. wgf

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    I just tried out my new 45 ACP cylinder in my 7.5" Uberti SSA. It appears to function well. Ejecting the empty cases was a non event. I thought that might have been a draw back. I only shot 15 cartridges due to a time constraint. I am sure you can guess I added the new cylinder for the convenience of using the one type cartridge in two guns. Does anyone have any tips for using the 45 ACP in the SSA that may not be apparent at first? I fired 230 FMJ this time, I will normally use 200 gr lead swc.
     

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  2. DPris

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    No tips, aside from not using a roll crimp if you handload, just use whatever comes closest to matching the point of aim.
    And SAA is correctly a Colt-only term, for future reference. :)
    Denis
     
  3. StrawHat

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    I have a two cylinder SAA from Italy also. In mine, I like the 255 grain cast lead bullets, usually Lyman 454190 or 454424. I am also working with the RCBS 270 SWC but have not yet been to the range with those loads. I got mine from a fellow who added the cylinder to unload ACP rounds too weak to work his 1911! My other ACPs are a Model 25-2 and a converted Model 28-2 so I don't have the same issues.

    Finding a load to hit to the same point of aim is going to be the challenge.
     
  4. wgf

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    I should have said SAA copy.
    The 230 FMJs were store bought reloads and hit point of aim. I will look try out my 1911 loads as soon as I can, they may hit a little low. I'll check out the Hand loading forum for other suggestions that may work better for the 1911 and the SSA.
     
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    I have a Uberti/Cimarron 7.5" barrel SAA also with the 45 ACP cylinder. It has worked well with no problems now for over a year and I shot more 45 ACP than 45 Colt at the range with it.
     
  6. DPris

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    Remember- Only YOU can prevent forest fires, and only COLT manufactures the Single Action Army...
    Denis
     
  7. wgf

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    Do the 45 ACP seem to be as accurate as the 45 Colt? I have heard the have a longer jump to the forcing cone is a detriment.
     
  8. DPris

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    No absolutes, you just have to try & see what happens.
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    If you reload remember loads intended for the longer .45 colt revolver case tend to use more power to the achieve the same velocities that lesser charges will get in the shorter .45 ACP case. Some mixed up load combinations could generate very high pressures.
     
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    wgf: I have been shooting a 45 cal Ruger blackhawk Convertible since 1971. And I have used the ACP cylinder quite often. I find the 45 acp shoots about 1 higher than the 45 LC at 25 yards. I think you will really like shooting you 45 ACP cylinder and be very glad you bought. If I could help you any way, I would be happy to do so.
    ken
     
  11. wgf

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    Thanks for all the good info. I am going to shoot some of my 45ACP reloads as soon as possible. I appreciate the encouraging reports.
     
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    I don't believe USFA is making anything now except the Zip Gun.

    http://www.usfirearms.com/

    All SAA production has been stopped to concentrate on Zip Guns.

    rc
     
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    I admit to not being the most knowledgeable or the smartest guy in the world, but that is the strangest development I think I have ever seen in a firearms company. To drop high quality single-actions for that. Just inexplicable, to me.

    There just has to be more to the story, though I can't imagine what it is.
     
  15. DPris

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    Sigh.
    The Single Action Army is a Colt trademark.
    No other maker can legitimately label a copy as such.
    There are other single actions, but no other Single Action Army.

    Calling a clone an SAA displays a beginner's lack of knowledge.
    To continually refer to a clone as an SAA displays laziness. :)

    We get all uptight & indignant whenever anybody calls a magazine a clip, the same correctitude should apply here.

    And, USFA plans to resume their revolvers in two years, but I seriously doubt it'll happen.
    The Zipper is all that's left right now.
    Denis
     
  16. CraigC
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    Actually, USFA's were available as .45 convertibles.

    I know it's technically incorrect, I will drive Denis mad and probably be called a hypocrite by others for my position on other terminology issues but I have no problem calling the replicas "SAA". That is, as long as we know we're not talking about a Colt. If it's branded Uberti, Pietta, EMF, Cimarron, Dixie Gun Works, Taylor's or USFA we know it's a replica. Maybe it is laziness but it's easier for everyone to "know what I mean" than trying to remember all the little names the manufacturers and importers come up with to call their SAA replicas. No different from calling all the variouis 1911-style pistols "1911", regardless of brand. The design has transcended its original maker.

    There are also those who believe that "clone" is a biological term and should not be applied to replicas. :neener:
     
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    As far as nomenclature goes, I don't think calling off brand single action revolvers "SAAs" is as bad as the common practice of referring to every autopistol with Colt/Browning lockwork as a "1911."
     
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    Craig,
    That would be "mad-ER", not just mad. :)

    I'm not suggesting trying to remember every single-action non-Colt by its name, just suggesting the use of "Uberti SA" or "Uberti single-action".
    Or Pietta single-action, or whatever.

    Easy & correct, instead of making every non-Ruger a "Single Action Army" generic.

    Denis
     
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    You know I have to seize opportunities to do a little ribbing. My favorite sixgun manufacturer is dead, you could at least humor me a little.....for pity's sake if nothing else. :neener:

    I agree with you on principle. We definitely need to be specific about 'who' made the dang thing but "Uberti single action" is way too vague. You know how many different models of Colt replicas as well as non-Colt replicas they make. While "Uberti SAA" is much more specific, for we know what model is being referenced.

    What gripes me is when Rugers are referred to as "SAA". As if it were the generic term for all single actions.
     
  21. DPris

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    RC,
    A few years back, Colt was getting quite adamant about anybody in the manufacturing/importing biz doing or labeling anything they felt was coming too close to Colt "property", and going after them legally.
    I talked to their lead legal counsel at the time.
    You saw what happened with AWA in the lawsuit.

    During this period, one writer was, since you bring it up, submitting an article to a particular mag editor on the Cimarron Model P, and calling it "Peacemaker".
    When I got that article to proof it, I removed Peacemaker all the way through it, to avoid potential legal problems for both the publishing house and Cimarron, since Peacemaker is very clearly a Colt property & nobody else has the right to use it in naming a gun.

    A part of the Colt lawsuit against AWA at the time involved AWA using "Peacekeeper" as a model name, which Colt felt infringed on their 1980s DA .357 Mag revolver of the same name.

    Colt's lightened up a bit since, but the only true Single Action Army IS a Colt, since it's a Colt model.
    I believe you'll see that Cimarron isn't calling, labeling, or stamping their guns Single Action Army, they're calling them the Model P, which is a different situation.

    Aside from that, I don't have enough mind left to be piecing it out in great volume. :)

    Craig,
    That's the thing behind my gripe- SAA for the lazy has become a generic for ALL single-actions. :)
    Denis
     
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    But is says right in bold print on the webpage I linked,

    SINGLE ACTION ARMY
    MODEL 'P" PRE-WAR.

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    I was surprised to see AWA calling their gun "Peacekeeper" and less surprised that Colt sued them for it. I think many thought it was because it was too close to "Peacemaker". Most being totally unaware of the Peacekeeper DA of the 1980's.

    I'm surprised Cimarron would even take the chance with "Single Action Army".
     
  24. DPris

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    RC,
    Yes, I saw that.
    I don't believe you see Single Action Army on the guns, or the boxes, or the packaging. :)
    As I also said- Colt has lightened up a bit, which I'd imagine lets Cimarron use the SAA on their web PAGE, but certainly not on their guns.

    If you look closer, none of the individual models is listed as a Single Action Army.
    Model P is an internal Colt model designation, as you know, and has never been used commercially by them as a model designator, so Cimarron CAN use that as their own official "model" name, which is what they're doing.

    Colt was even looking unfavorably at one point on barrel markings that included ".45 Colt" on other brands' guns.


    Denis
     
  25. Feanaro

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    Uberti makes single action revolvers based on other designs. So to combat one inaccuracy you are suggesting we replace it with another, even less clear inaccuracy?

    :evil:
     
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