Marine? Well, welcome, RadioactiveMarine (from an Army vet). I'll hold off on the jarhead jokes as a professional courtesy, but yes, we will have to agree to disagree with the S&W Hillary Hole issue. Having cruised the gun shows for the last 40 years, I know for certain that there are plenty of very nice, very minty S&Ws that lack the Hillary Hole, and it's simply not my wish to put S&W out of business for doing somthing that I regard both stupid and cowardly :banghead: but I prefer not to own a weapon that has a 'safety feature' that I neither need nor trust. The transfer bar safety, on the other hand, is something that doesn't bother me, not because I rarely drop a handgun, but because they don't have a reputation for causing more trouble than they're worth.