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45 degree offset Iron Sights

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by zstephens13, Dec 14, 2009.

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  1. zstephens13

    zstephens13 Member

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    So I have my RRA LAR-8 set up for long range shooting (300-400 yds) and would like to have a set of back up iron sights on the gun.
    My first thought was flip-up sights mounted behind the scope and on the gas block, but a new idea has been presented to me.

    What are your thought and opinions on mounting iron sights at a 45 degree on the right side of the rifle so you just turn it a bit and line up with them like the IPSC shooter do?

    Pros?
    Cons?
    Experiences?

    Thanks for you help.

    Z
     
  2. taliv

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    irons require a great deal more consistency in cheek weld than the red dots and those particular red dots are often just for hitting very close targets. hitting 300-400 yrds with the rifle canted would be difficult, moreso since you wouldn't be able to use the mag as a monopod
     
  3. desidog

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    What taliv said; plus, the weight of the sights, although not much, will be off center axis, which will change things up as well, for the scope and irons.
     
  4. zstephens13

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    I don't plan to shoot the iron sights 300-400 yards, that is what my scope is for.
    The irons would be for anything under 100 yards or so.
     
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    Well, I did see a weapon configured in a similar way... once.
    It was for an operator who had lost vision in his dominant eye, so the weapon was canted a little less that 40 degrees, with a side mounted front handgrip and a sight that was extended so it would be lined up with his left eye.
    It looked weird as ****, but if it worked for him... go for it
     
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    I thought this was more common.
    IPSC shooters use it. SWAT teams use it.
    huh...
    i'm pretty sold on trying it.
     
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    A couple of the SF guys I served with liked that set up on their weapons -- but they were both big IPSC/Three Gun shooters. It seems like a workable solution for close range engagements, but a whole lot more guys were running J Points or other baby red dots on top of their ACOGs, or just using red dots as their primary optic.
     
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    JP Enterprises makes a set of close in irons to mount offset of the bore...they kinda look like pistol sites.

    LaRue and a couple of others make offset Aimpoint mounts, too.
     
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    Why Iron sights

    Why not just use the 45 degree offset mounts with a reflex sight? It works for Jerry Michulek
     
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    Definitely seen this on USPSA guns. Actually seen ARs with a scope for long range, a holographic sight mounted on the scope tube for close range, and a ~12" rail mounted at 45 deg. with the back-up irons there. He could transition pretty quickly between them, too.

    Heck of a bulky rifle, though.

    -Sam
     
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    Those are 90 degree pistol sights, I talking about putting them on a long rifle at 45 degrees.
    Thanks though.
     
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    still nothing?
    I'm surprised you all don't have more to say on the subject...
     
  14. OneKYards

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    There is a Company making this type of sight. I am waiting for them to arrive, so I can mount them 45 degrees on my rail system. Buying another optic plus a mount is out of the question. A Micro and a LaRue mount can get you near 1k.

    I pre-ordered my offset sights here http://www.harristacticalonline.com/category.sc?categoryId=3


    I'll give feedback once I get them on and shoot them. :D
     
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    I've done something like this for a 3-gun weapons belonging to a customer. He went with a top of the scope mini-red dot and JT Engineering's tube mounted offset sights.

    For National Match quality/accuracy with offset sights... I dunno. I don't think you'll be able to pull it off with any regularity/consistency. These types of sights are on par with shotgun bead sights. Good enough to make the hit.. but not good enough for "pinpoint" accuracy.

    A possible method for mounting sights at an angle would be to use a 1 o'clock mounted long rail fastened to your FF tube and extending back (over the ejection port) to the rear of the upper receiver. Bracing it would be a stone "bear".
     
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    Been wondering about this as well ever since I saw an AR-15 helmet cam video posted in Competition Shooting. Seems like a nice way to be able to utilize both a traditional scope and a red dot on an AR without the cost and compromise of an EOTech 3x magnifier...
     
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    It will work if you keep the bore and the sights in the same vertical plane, and your stock weld holds the sights level.
     
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