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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by wes, May 8, 2007.

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  1. wes

    wes Member

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    Can someone please talk me of the glock model 38 that shoots the 45 gap round?
     
  2. Ethereal

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    Did you mean tell you about it or talk you out of it?...Or both?
     
  3. RNB65

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    45Gap is a dead cartridge. Don't buy it.
     
  4. wes

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    i meant talk me out of it....the only draw back that i can find is that it's more expensive at the range. I'm in the process of attaining my ccw in ca. The model 38 seems to be a perfect fit for my needs. I already have a full size 1911 but the 38 would be easier to carry.
     
  5. wes

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    and more info wouldn't hurt either
     
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    Search the handgun forums for GAP. I think you find that most folks believe it's a solution looking for a problem. With the popularity of .40S&W and the growing number of high capacity .45ACP semi's, 45GAP is most likely destined to become an expensive niche cartridge like the 10mm.
     
  7. Deer Hunter

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    Except the 10mm is good for something.
     
  8. Ala Dan

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    it died a sudden death; look up the word "useless" in the dictionary, and the
    .45 GAP's picture will be beside it~! :scrutiny: :eek: ;)
     
  9. wes

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    i need reasons.....reasons to justify why not to buy one other than the uncertanty of availablity/expense of the ammo. For example, are there any ballistic disadvantages?
     
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    It's not as dead as it might seem. For some reason I can't understand the Pennsylvania State Police are going to change over from the Beretta 96 (.40 S&W) to the Glock chambered in .45 GAP. (I'm guessing it's the G37 since it's a duty pistol) They must have gotten a very good deal from Glock. Why else would they decide to buy the .45 GAP over the .45 ACP?

    Funny think is, the G21 holds 13 rounds of .45 ACP and the G37 holds only 10 rounds of .45 GAP. Where is the advantage in that?

    wes,
    The Glock G30 holds 2 additional rounds than the G38 and it's actually smaller. The ammo is cheaper and you have a much wider verity of rounds available to you too. Why would you buy something in .45 GAP?
     
  11. aubie515

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    It is because Glock gave away the 45GAP pistols to the PSP. Their sales were so bad that Glock had to do something. Considering it was the caliber the developed. It's the only contribution Glock has made and it was so well received. HAHA

    Take a look at the XDs that are chambered in the 45GAP and you will notice that they are clearancing those pistols. No one should have to talk you into or out of anything. If you sat down and think it through, you will know that it's not going to catch on. And comparing the 45GAP to the 10mm is apples to tomatos. There are plenty of fans of the 10mm that don't need to be given a 10mm pistol.
     
  12. wes

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    the thirty is something i have not yet considered...i will have to go to the range and try one out. Just from the measurements alone i would say that it might work. The only thing that i have a concern about is that in the compact genre of glock pistols the 38 is about as short gripped as I would want. The 30 is even shorter than the 38. It also is shorter as far as the slide goes which I'm not so concerned about. I guess when it all comes down to it, gun selection is a very personal, touchy feely, hands on process.
     
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    If you want something in .45, make it ACP.
     
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    wes,
    Since the G30 is even shorter than the G38 and they don't make a "compact" model in .45 ACP, are you totally set on a Glock? If not there are other outstanding mid-sized .45 ACP pistols on the market and most are very high quality. S&W's M&P in .45 ACP and Springfield's XD Compact in .45 ACP are just 2. http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=111
    Ruger has a few nice .45's too. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire Autoloading&famlst=1

    I'm not trying to push you off Glock but you never said Glock was a done deal, there are other choices.
     
  16. Seven For Sure

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    I agree with all that has been said. The GAP can only approach the ACP with higher pressures. The ACP in +P (which is not an option with the GAP) will blow it away. I have two GLOCK 10mm's and I also agree it's not comparable to the GAP. I only buy DT 10mm for carry and there is an advantage over anything else any GLOCK is chambered for in terms of ballistics.

    GLOCK touts the slim frame but they still have the 10mm/.45ACP slide on them with way less capacity. I would stay away. Ammo will get more expensive and you'll have to take a beating if you want to sell it. Holsters can be tricky as well though most made for the 10mm/45ACP will work if it's not kydex. If it is, you will not get the retention they are designed for and they won't fit in one made for the 9mm/.40/357sig GLOCKS.

    I suggest a G30 or a G23. Of those, I'd take the 23.
     
  17. XDKingslayer

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    Wrong. Try again.
     
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    Buy it dont let us talk you out of it No Siree,

    Its the best new cartridge since .357 Magnum.

    NOT
     
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    i like the though that went in to and glad there are folks out there making inovatons in weapons and ammo. especially those that give so much consideration to us that are not blessed with big enough hands. it is neat to get a .45 caliber bullet in the same frame size as a 40 s&w and a 9mm, this was a great idea at the time it came out, but now you have guns like the xd .45 that give you 13+1 rds of .45 in a pretty darn good size gun, and fits my hands which again are small, before i had never found a double stack .45acp pistol that fit me but the xd does, so the .45gap isn't even an option now, i wouldn't even wast my time, plus ammo is another factor, it is hard to find for me at least, and expensive when i do find it.

    i think it will die out if it already hasn't! i have only found .45gap brass at the range one time. and i continue to see plenty of .45acp, 40s&w, and 9mm and even .357 sig but not as much as the others.
     
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    The smaller-size/similar-ballistics idea for GAP vs. ACP isn't a bad idea -- it's just that certain ideas only get enough strength to be worth pursuing if a lot more people are persuaded of them at once. Network effects!

    But, adding to the echo chamber here: the .45GAP would seem like a perfectly nice cartridge ... except for the already extant .45ACP which makes it seem pointless instead, in that recent guns (from Springfield, Taurus, and others, even Glock itself) show that .45ACP can be the basis of guns as handy as ones chambered for .45GAP.

    *If* they were the same cost, *and* guns chambered in each were equally common, *and* reloading supplies were all identically priced, well then ... I'd probably still prefer a pistol in .45ACP because that makes for ammo compatibility with around a hundred years' worth of excellent gun. I suspect (hope, at least) that my grandchildren -- I'm not yet started on producing my grandchildren's parents -- will be able to either buy .45ACP easily, or make their own with their home fabricator devices ;)

    timothy
     
  21. wes

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    Is there anyone who has one and likes it?
     
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    Yes. I have one and I love it.

    That's the problem here. 99% of the GAP naysayers have neither shot nor owned one. In fact, that's about the only truthful thing you'll hear about the GAP on this board. And you can do a search on .45GAP and see how many times I've had to correct the people that look down on it without knowledge or experience.

    My XD-45LE Tactical is probably the most accurate handgun I've ever owned. Price-wise the ammo should be the same exact price as .45 ACP. If you can't find it in that price range, go elsewhere or have someone order it for you.

    I've never had a problem getting .45GAP. In fact, me and a buddy, who owns a .45 ACP and works at a tackle shop that orders our ammo directly from a distributor, always order our ammo at the same time. I've never been 0'd on an order and time after time he's sitting without ammo for his 1911.

    I've contemplated getting rid of my GAP for the new XD45, but I can't bring myself to get rid of such and accurate and reliable weapon.

    Get it, you won't be disappointed.
     
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    I actually shot the GAP

    Here's the shocker, I LOVED IT! I don't know that I'll buy one because I'm even more infatuated with another "niche" cartridge, the .357 Sig. But don't get turned off by the naysayers it's a fun and useful cartridge, if it's what you prefer, go for it!
     
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    I'm kind of a .45 ACP snob, but it seems to me that the .45 GAP is a good idea under some specific circumstances... For instance, the new Springfield "EMP," which was designed to be a sort of short-action baby 1911. On paper, we get almost a .45 ACP, but with the benefit of a smaller launcher.

    Yes, the ACP will do nearly everything that the GAP will do, only better. However, I think it is a good compromise like comparing the .308 Winchester to .30-06 Springfield.

    If Springfield Armory gets the bugs worked out of the EMP and releases it in a .45 GAP, I'll be looking for one. I don't see any reason for me to ever own a 4" or 5" barreled pistol in this chambering, though.
     
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    I bought a G37 a couple of weeks ago, although I haven't got to shoot it much I really do like it. I was originally going to get the G21 but it did not fit my hand very well. Then I waited for two months for an XD 45LE and I got tired of waiting. Anyway I went with the Glock 37 and I am very pleased.
     
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