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45 Schofield Load Data: FFg vs FFFg

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Shaniko Sam, Aug 5, 2015.

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  1. Shaniko Sam

    Shaniko Sam Member

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    I've been poking around the Net and am finding reccomendations to use 27 to 28gr FFg in this load. I know GOEX FFFg is good in my .54 cal. rifles. The question is can I use FFFg in this Schofield load? I also use FFFg in my Walker replica C&B;no problem. Any ideas? Thanks,Shaniko Sam...
     
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    I think the general consensus is that for pistols FFF is the best choice. I use it in my flintlock instead of FF, but lots of people use FF, too, especially for percussion locks. You'll find you can get more powder in the case with the smaller grains, also - not sure you could stuff 27-28 gr of FF in it, though I haven't loaded that case. You sure can't get 40 gr of FFF in a 38- or 44-40, though not having balloon heads limits capacity, too. FF would be out of the question...
     
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    Measured out in an adjustable measure I got slightly over 30 grains of 3Fg in a 45 Schofield case.
     
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    Either ffg or fffg is appropriate. I know some that use ffg exclusively and some that use fffg. I use fffg in .38, 44-40, .45cs, and .45acp.
     
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    You are good to go with fffG in any revolver cartridge.

    If it were me, I would add powder to the shell until I got a moderate compression compression with the bullet. Then, I would pull the bullet and weight the powder on an accurate scale. Next step for me would be to make a measure that holds the correct amount of powder for that shell and mark it with the charge and the powder.

    Kevin
     
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    Strawhat;thank you for your reply. This is my 1st time loading BP cartridges and I want to be safe. I load 45ACP&223 on a regular basis. The reason I wanted to know about FFFg is I've got a bunch of it as I shoot a 54 flintlock & a 54 Lyman Great Plains. Also C&B pistols. Thanks again,Shaniko Sam...
     
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    A little variation off of Strawhats excellent advice, take a wood dowel or similar round thing that will fit in the case mouth, mark the length of the bullet from the bottom of that rod, and then fill the case until the mark will be about 1/10 of an inch above the case mouth. Weigh that powder charge and set your measure etc to throw that amount.
    Yes to the 3f being just fine for cartridge loading.
     
  8. Shaniko Sam

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    Thank you for your reply. Driftwood Johnson said the same thing about measuring powder depth & weighing the charge. This is my 1st BP cartridge load so I just want to be sure I'm going in a safe direction. Thanks again. Shaniko Sam... ure
     
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    For all handguns I use FFFg and beyond the cal.45, like cal.50 FFg BP....
    That gives for all the five Remington and the ROA FFFg and FFg (not all the time) only for the Sharps...

    N-B: I use only swiss BP may be is different with a substitute but we don't have it where I live: only real BP is allowed...
     
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    2 or 3f is fine. You may get a little more velocity with 3f. I shoot 28 grains of 2f behind a 200 grain bullet in Schofield brass. It's a great reduced load for 45 Colt revolvers and is the load I mostly shoot in my pistols at Cowboy Action matches.
     
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    Howdy

    All other things being equal, you will see an increase in velocity of between 60 fps - 100 fps using FFFg instead of FFg. I used to use FFFg in all my 45 Colt and 44-40 loads, FFg in my shotgun loads. I got tired of stocking two different granulations, so now I use FFg in everything, 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 44-40, 44 Russian, 38-40 and 45-70. It really does not matter very much.

    Don's method is pretty similar to mine for determining the correct powder charge for any pistol cartridge. Put in enough powder so that when the bullet is seated the powder will be compressed between 1/16" - 1/8". That's all there is to it. If the firearm is in good mechanical condition, you will not damage it with such a load.

    You have not mentioned what the firearm is that you want to fire 45 Schofields in. For the record, modern reproductions of the S&W Top Breaks such as the Schofield model and the Russian model do not do well with Black Powder. Not that it will hurt the gun, but Uberti has made design changes that cause them to bind up more quickly with BP fouling than the originals did. Colt style revolvers are much more resistant to binding because they still retain a good bushing on the front of the cylinder.
     
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    Thank you for your reply. I have an Uberti 58 Remington Cattleman's carbine 18" barrel,1:6 twist. that I plan to get a conversion cyl. for. I loaded 5 cartridges yesterday with 30gr FFFg and my 160gr FP bullets. OAL measured 1.407 to 1.409 with powder e compression..y This should be SOME fun. Shaniko Sam... l
     
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    You do not need to limit yourself to 45 Schofield rounds for a conversion cylinder to that gun. You can fire 45 Colt rounds stuffed to the gills with Black Powder. Depending on the configuration of the grip, the recoil may or may not be uncomfortable. But the cylinder can take fully loaded 45 Colt Black Powder rounds.
     
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