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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by moooose102, Jun 20, 2008.

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  1. moooose102

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    why isnt the 45 super more popular? is it just because the acp has that much of a head start? or does it have considerably more recoil than an acp? is it because nobody mass produces it?
     
  2. Hoppy590

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    it has more recoil, and can beat up converted 1911's pretty bad. requires modification and a new barrel and springs. and most importantly is expensive and while stronger than .45acp theres plenty of other more common rounds that do the job and cost cheaper
     
  3. Northalius

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    And, I strongly believe the major reason is (not kidding, either): The 10mm is available without modification to any pistol you buy for it. Glock 20 and 29 are made for 10mm shooting, and the 10mm is more powerful from any factory manufacturer. All you have to do if you already have a .45 ACP pistol is buy a 10mm barrel for the conversion... at least for Glocks, I believe.

    Check DoubleTap Ammunition for their 10mm selection. They don't make .45 Super though. Maybe if you get enough people to ask Mike McNett about it, he just might start!
     
  4. Coronach

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    The .45 ACP is a very good stopper as far as pistol rounds go, is a reasonably soft shooter, and is comparatively gentle on guns. The .45 Super costs more, is harder on the shooter, is harder on the guns, and, outside of statistics, doesn't seem to offer the average shooter much that the .45 ACP doesn't.

    Now, I still have a 4506 that is screaming for a .45 Super conversion, so I'm far from a hater, and if you want to push a 230gr bullet that fast, have at it. I probably will sooner or later, too. But it is a niche cartridge for a reason.

    Mike
     
  5. 10mm Mike

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    They may not make .45 Super, but they make some pretty hot .45 ACP!
     
  6. Samuel Aggie

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    There isn't a reason for it in CCW situations. A .45 ACP +P will penetrate gel 14"-15"+ and will expand to at least 0.80".
     
  7. BlindJustice

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    About the 10MM and 1911s - Colt originally chambered their 1911 for 10MM AUto. The 10MM Auto beat up the frame and locking lugs. Colt built it up and the COlt to get for 10MM Auto is the Delta Elite. Word is Colt will
    re-introduce/offer it again this November.

    A niche cartridge that is possible to Drop In Barrel is the .400 CorBon.
    ballistically close to a 10MM Auto up to 165 gr. bullet weights.

    Randall .
     
  8. Northalius

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    True... but keep in mind: Their .45 ACP velocities were from a 5" barrel 1911.

    Most of the other popular calibers were shot from Glocks with shorter barrels, including the 10mm from a 4.6" barrel.

    I'd like to see what Mike could do with the .45 Super. :)
     
  9. 10mm Mike

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    Good point.
     
  10. Lou22

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    I think one of the best .45 ACP loads for self-defense is the Federal HST 230gr +P. Which ought to be safe in most conventional .45s. If you can't use +P, the HST 230gr is available in a standard pressure load.

    Lou
     
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    I think it just doesn't do much as a defensive load except slow down speed of follow up shots due to recoil. It's too light for bear defense. Kind of in a dead zone for anyone except guys who want to max out performance of a 1911 or other .45 just for the sake of doing so.
     
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    I would like to try a box or two in my MK23, I bet they would be smoken fast out of the 5.87" polygonal rifled barrel.:D
     
  13. Deer Hunter

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    I'm going to get a stronger recoil spring for my CZ97 and shoot .45 super out of it a bit.

    Also, the S&W 625 can take them easily.
     
  14. Kosh75287

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    .45 Super & .460 Rowland

    You may find it worth your time to Google the .460 Rowland round. It's essentially a .45 Super, on steroids....with an attitude....

    The conversion kit comes with a muzzle brake that reduces recoil and slide velocity. It comes with two springs, one of which is suited for the maximum loads (40,000 psi), and the other which is suited for "intermediate" loads (I'm guessing 28,000 psi, which is about where the .45 Super seems to be).

    I would think that with the conversion kit and intermediate loads, one would obtain a noticeable increase in performance, without beating a perfectly good pistol into early retirement. The muzzle brake extends the length on an already hefty piece, but there's no free lunch.

    The conversion kit isn't cheap (speaking of no free lunch), but it's well made, and people seem to like them.
     
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