.45colt or .45 LC?

[Electricmo]

Calvary vs. cavalry
In the Biblical New Testament, Calvary is the hill where Jesus was crucified. In modern usage, the word’s other definitions are (1) an artistic representation of Christ’s crucifixion, and (2) an ordeal involving great suffering. Cavalry is completely different. It refers to (1) the part of an army that fights on horseback, and (2) a highly mobile modern army unit. Because the only thing separating these two nouns is the placement of the l, they are easily confused.
.45 Colt would be found in the hands of the cavalrymen.
This is getting fun.

 

[Jim Watson]

I'd rather have the word I want misspelled than an autocorrect substitution that makes no sense in my post.

 

[cfullgraf]

I'd rather have the word I want misspelled than an autocorrect substitution that makes no sense in my post.

I have autocorrect turned off but I still use the spell check feature.

We'd better get back on subject.

 

[Garandimal]

I keep my 45 Long Colts in clips, so I have everything covered.

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Works for .45 ACP as well. (points out)

Finally a use for those French POS/SF clips.






GR

 

[vintovka]

Ok i read the whole thread and learned a bunch. One thing i do know is factory .45 colt (whatever) was fairly expensive before the panic and now ha turned into unobtanium unless you have means to reload. Glad I built a 1875 Remington in .45 acp which i have in quantity along with .45 auto rim. Not as sexy as .45 LC but cheap to shoot.

 

[buck460XVR]

You had to open the can. I am very forgiving, either works for me. They are one and the same.

Yep....similar to going to the LGS and seeing .45 Auto and .45 ACP on the shelf side by side...........

 

[natman]

To sum up:
45 Colt and 45 Long Colt are the same thing.
Once upon a time the Long Colt name served to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 Schofield.
Now it can also serve to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 ACP.
For those who insist there is no such thing as 45 Long Colt, several manufacturers disagree:

 

[CraigC]

Once upon a time the Long Colt name served to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 Schofield.

No it didn't. Why would you need "Long" to differentiate Colt and S&W???

Now it can also serve to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 ACP.

Same.

For those who insist there is no such thing as 45 Long Colt, several manufacturers disagree:

Manufacturers and their marketing departments cater to the lowest common denominator. Those same dummies at the Walmart gun counter that don't know the difference between .45Colt and .45ACP.

 

[Obturation]

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Ok i read the whole thread and learned a bunch. One thing i do know is factory .45 colt (whatever) was fairly expensive before the panic and now ha turned into unobtanium unless you have means to reload. Glad I built a 1875 Remington in .45 acp which i have in quantity along with .45 auto rim. Not as sexy as .45 LC but cheap to shoot.

I have seen 45 colt going for moronic prices, I know everything's expensive now but I don't understand the massive disproportionate increase for revolver cartridges

 

[BigBlue 94]

Went through 448 cases last night, from a member here, sorting by HS. R-P, Win, W-W, Aguila, Starline, CDC, and GFL. Every single one said 45 Colt.

Last box I bought at the LGS was a couple months ago. 65 bucks for a 50rd box of Remington Performance Wheel Gun.

 

[Monac]

To sum up:
45 Colt and 45 Long Colt are the same thing.
Once upon a time the Long Colt name served to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 Schofield.
Now it can also serve to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 ACP.
For those who insist there is no such thing as 45 Long Colt, several manufacturers disagree:

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"To sum up". Oh, how I envy your sunny optimism! Me, I'm all bitter and cynical. I think we'll be lucky if this only goes 3 more pages.

 

[JohnKSa]

Once upon a time the Long Colt name served to distinguish 45 Colt from 45 Schofield.

It served to distinguish it from a third cartridge that was marketed (and marked) as .45 Colt but that was shorter than the standard .45 Colt.

Here's an article that has a picture of an old box of ammunition that is clearly labeled .45 Colt and that contains the short cartridge. It also has a picture of the headstamp (45 Colt) on the short cartridge.
https://leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm

 

[JVW55]

I had a polite conversation with a long time gun owner the other day about .45 Long Colt revolvers. He was convinced Long Colt was different from .45 Colt. I told him he was wrong . He told me I was wrong. Problem is I’m right. Thanks to the ammo manufacturers there is a lot of misinformation out there. This confusion is only going to get worse with the first time gun owner and the ammo shortage. Not all .45 calibers are created equal. The ammo and gun manufacturers are clouding the issue with their stamping also. Here’s a case in point. .45 colt stamped on the barrels of Uberti pistols is correct. However it will chamber .45 long colt ammo . Why they started marketing ammo as such is beyond me.

It is designated Long Colt to differentiate from 45 Schofield. Happened in late 19th century.

 

[DR505]

It is designated Long Colt to differentiate from 45 Schofield. Happened in late 19th century.

I am guessing you haven’t read the entire thread.

 

[StrawHat]

It is designated Long Colt to differentiate from 45 Schofield. Happened in late 19th century.

There was no cartridge headstamped 45 Schofield. You must be thinking of the 45 Smith and Wesson.


Kevin

 

[CraigC]

I'll be forever baffled that people think you need "Long" to differentiate Colt from S&W.

 

[Dave T]

"Here's an article that has a picture of an old box of ammunition that is clearly labeled .45 Colt and that contains the short cartridge. It also has a picture of the headstamp (45 Colt) on the short cartridge."

I am baffled that even if a box of ammunition was incorrectly labeled 45 Colt when it held a shortened version of a 45 caliber revolver round that has been out of print for something like 100 years, that justifies incorrectly identifying the venerable 45 Colt cartridge as a 'Long Colt' in this the 21st Century.

Dave

 

[Tallball]

I've been an English teacher for 25 years. I enjoy researching and teaching about History Of The English Language (HOTEL). But I won't get started.

In the memoirs I've read, cavalrymen describe steering their mounts via pressure with their thighs and knees while their hands were busy.

Even if it's more correctly called "45 colt", maybe "45 long colt" leaves slightly less room for confusion?

 

[LightninST]

There was no cartridge headstamped 45 Schofield. You must be thinking of the 45 Smith and Wesson.


Kevin

Is now .

 

[Electricmo]

There was no cartridge headstamped 45 Schofield. You must be thinking of the 45 Smith and Wesson.


Kevin

 

[AK103K]

Hey! Is that a 45GAP with a rim?

 

[Electricmo]

I’m guessing we could take a .45 colt round and trim the case down to S&W length and mark the base .45 short and honestly have created a round that works in .45 colts and Schofields without any modifications to their respective cylinders.

 

[LightninST]

I’m guessing we could take a .45 colt round and trim the case down to S&W length and mark the base .45 short and honestly have created a round that works in .45 colts and Schofields without any modifications to their respective cylinders.

Cowboy 45 Special, 45 SPL, C45S
Here you go already trimmed to length
0.892 - 0.896 O.A.L.

 

[JohnKSa]

I am baffled that even if a box of ammunition was incorrectly labeled 45 Colt when it held a shortened version of a 45 caliber revolver round that has been out of print for something like 100 years, that justifies incorrectly identifying the venerable 45 Colt cartridge as a 'Long Colt' in this the 21st Century.

So, incorrectly headstamped too?

1. There's really no doubt that there was a round that was sold as/headstamped .45 Colt but that was shorter than the .45 standard Colt. I don't think it's tough to understand why the two rounds were commonly referred to as the Short and the Long. Examples have been posted on this thread, and we also have Elmer Keith's word for it.

2. Given that Colt has actually sold products with the ".45 Long Colt" marking, it seems to me, to be hard to be too dogmatic about the use of the term, but I do agree that the designation isn't necessary any longer as the Short version hasn't been sold in many decades.

 

[CraigC]

Worthy of note that Colt never stamped a gun “Long”.

The .45Cowboy is shorter than the S&W.

And technically .45 Schofield is a nickname just like .45 Long Colt.