.45LC/.410 Super Comanche...

[suemarkp]

Whether 444 or 9.3x74 brass will work depends on your chamber. I believe the end of the 410 chamber is supposed to be about .454". If that is the case, you have .0015 left for brass clearance when it has a .451 bullet. Not going to work...

As you shorten the brass, the chamber gets a little larger. If it was intended to chamber a 45 Colt, then obviously there will be enough room for brass and a .451 bullet in the chamber with 45 Colt length brass. But if the chamber is reamed enough to take a 444 Marlin with a .451 bullet, then that chamber will also take a .454 Casull or a 460 S&W. Either of those are probably going to blow up the gun. A liabilitity conscious manufacturer wouldn't do that.

Take a peek at your chamber. Do you see a ridge where the end of 45 Colt brass would be? If so, you're not going to be putting 45 caliber bullets any deeper than that.

 

[MCgunner]

I'll look. I do know this. My barrel was made before .454 casull existed, let alone the .460. It's an old 70s era octagon with regular sights and external choke. The new ones have a vent rib with a wimpy little flip up sight for .45 shooting and internal choke and no compensator. I like the old barrel a lot better for several reasons.

Perhaps I could drop a cast bullet into the chamber and just see how far it will drop in???? I know what you're sayin, though, gotta be room for bullet loaded in brass. If I can get my hands on a .444 case, I'll load up a dummy round and see. I don't know anyone off hand that shoots .444, but I could ask at the gun club meeting.

 

[MCgunner]

I looked in it and do see a little ridge about .45 case deep in the chamber. I do know guys do this, though, or actually just have been told guys do this, but I'm quite understanding what you're saying, suemarkp. If I get my hands on a .444 case, I'm going to load a dummy round and see, though. If it don't fit, next time I see one of those posts I'm going to call BS, LOL. Thanks for the tip.

 

[scalper]

Hi Guys,

I got one of these Super Comanches today. It came with the 45LC screw cover on it. I really want to remove it and put the .410 choke on, but I can't seemed to unscrew it off.

What am I doing wrong? Is it just on really tight? Or is there some other way to get it off?

Anyhow, it looks like a cool addition to my collection. I can't wait to get to the range.

 

[scalper]

I got the darn thing off. It just took some mega force.

I love this thing especially shooting .410 shotshells. I was shooting .45LC one handed and getting the familiar pop. Then I put in a .410 and BOOM. You should have seen the guy next to me. He says, "What the are you shootin there boy? near made me my britches.

It was worth the price of the shells just getting his reaction. Of course, he wanted to try shooting it too.

One handed duelist shooting only works with the .45LC, don't try it with the .410. In fact, the little bar under the barrel makes a nice second hand grip for holding like a traditional shotgun (except one that is shorter than a sawed off shotgun).

It is a solid piece of work and easy to clean. I would like to replace the plastic grips with wood ones at some point. I think it make it look a bit less cheap.

This will make a great trail gun that looks like it would withstand a pounding and also a good snake eliminator.

 

[sconcer]

It seems that there hasn't been much activity on this thread for a while.

I hope some Comanche owners/shooters are still stopping by to check it out.

I just bought one last week. Yippee!

My first time with the weapon was yesterday to clean it in the sunlight. My Drill Instructors always stressed cleaning weapons in the sunlight, whenever possible.

I haven't fired it yet. I prefer to get to know a weapon first by giving it a good cleaning.

It is a trick to learn to load it and get the extractor to work properly with the .45 rounds. The 410 load and extract easily.

After reading this forum I opted for the "Magtech Cowboy Action Loads" for .45, and "Winchester Super X" 3" 000 Buck, with 5 pellets.

Is there a way to date and possibly learn the history of this weapon by using the serial number?

I will hopefully get to fire it this week. Here in the woods of Maine is is pretty simple to get 75 yards away from a known residence and have at it.

I like the charcoal briquettes idea. Hah!

I also have several other possible targets in mind. Like that piece of trash stereo amplifier that blew last month while I was cranking some "Vanilla Fudge."

Here's hoping that there are still some "Comache" enthusiasts reading.

Semper FI

 

[WC145]

Interesting for the price but I'll stick with my Taurus 4410.

 

[dannyabear]

Well Guys, I've had one for over a year now; never seen this thread, but I have posted and inquired on several boards before I bought it and looking for reload info after I bought it.
Fot those who may not have the brochure that comes with a new one - It states to use only 'factory' 45 colt loads, not +p, or anything like buffalo bore loads;
IT IS NOT A CONTENDER and will not handle Contender or RUGER loads.
It is only designed to handle regular 45s and 410s, which only develop 12,000 - 13,000 lbs of chamber pressure.

It is the most fun to shoot pistol you can buy for around $150.00

NOW, with that said, and not recommending to anyone to try the same; I have read a lot about the 450 MONGO, which is a 444 marlin case blown out to 45 cal. and used in single shot 45/410 combo barrels, both in pistol and rifles. The idea being to put the bullet closer to the rifling so that it does not have a 1" jump to get to the rifling using regular 45 colt ammo; Reloading info is almost non existant for this wildcat, but I did talk to a couple of guys who had done this and advised me what works and SEEMS safe. I have done that and was pleased with the results; but now I have more fun reloading 410 shells for it with 000 buckshot and # 6 shotl
Did I mention that it's the best $150.00 you could spend for cheap entertainment? I will draw a crowd at the range and everyone wants to try if out. It has actually generated a couple of sales for my LGS.
But the way, I replaced the hard plastic grips with the rubber pacmiler grips for a ruger blackhawk. It does take some gringing of the grip frame to fit properly but the new grip covers up the grinding, gotta remove some of the 'flair' on the bottom of grip.
The reason these shoot 410 so much better than the judge is because of the choke which has straight rifling to stop the spin of the shot.
Oh, yeah 410 slugs don't do good at all, because you are sending a slug with a diameter of around .390" thru a barrel with a diameter of .452"

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

dannyabear, how well does it pattern with that choke in there?

 

[dannyabear]

I can't find the targets I used back then, prob a year ago now, but they were the back side of a calendar about 18" wide and 24" tall. As I remember thr fine shot would group about 10" at 25' (Perfect for snakes) and the 3 pellet buckshot would put 2 pellets almost touching each other, the third pellet about 3" away from those, and the wad would hit about 4" the other side of the first 2 pellets. I never could figure out that grouping with the buckshot, but it would do it consistantly. The wad would go thru sideways and tear the target. I have been reloading some 2 1/2" Win AA HS with the petals cut off of the wad and 4 pellets of 000 buckshot, but I haven't had a chance to pattern those yet. In my brotheres JUDGE they pattern about 15" at 20'.

 

[GTBarrow]

flechette?

Has anybody ever fired a flechette round? Its was made for 12 ga. & rocket lauchers. Even though this may sound nothing short of stupid, with that last sentence. I was wondering if you could use them in a 410 ga.? I've had a super comanche for a year now it works great for snakes, MMM good eatin, takes the head right off, if your not to scared to get close enough (about 3 ft). I was thinking it might be good for home defense with the flechette round but not even sure it wuold be possible or practicle.

 

[BobGrand]

I picked up one of these online last March and used it for the end of bunny season last year. I injured my right hand and finished the season off left handed with this handy and fun handgun. Did alright with 4 rabbits taken.

One of the tests I put this through was to run a few LC45s through it. I noticed that several of them were key-holing. When I was doing a full cleaning before I put it away for the summer, I noticed a lot of buildup at the transition from the chamber to the barrel. Upon further inspection I saw that the barrel did not line up with the chamber, being decided off center high and left from center of the chamber. Called the importer who had me send it to their gunsmith for evaluation. In the end, they repalced the unit with a new one that I just picked up last week. Ran 5 LC45s through it at 15yrds with very satisfying results. 4 shots in a 2" high x 1/2" wide group about 3/4" of center of target and one shot I knew I threw wide (about 5").

All in all, if you pick one of these up, be sure to inspect it for poor alignment and other possible issues. If you get a unit that doesn't have any obvious issues they are a fun gun to own, though with a decided kick, that willdraw a lot of attention from others in the range with you.

 

[bullseye1172003]

super commache 45LC/410gauge single shot pistol.

I bought one last year and couldn't hit anything ONLY if the target was 10 feet from me with the 45LC. With the 410 I could see it was shooting low and to the left! I tried adjusting the rear sight and nothing worked .
I e mailed the company that imports the gun and they told me take the gun to an Authorized gunsmith, which was Gander Mountain.
I took the gun to them August 1 and kept calling them to see what was wrong. The Gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me the front sights were off by 10 degrees and that they were waiting for a back ordered part. I kept calling every few weeks and they told me the same waiting on backorderd part.
As the first week in December I call Gander Mountain again and still same waiting on backordered part.
I called Import company and told them my problem. They asked for Gander Mountain phone number, the company told me they were calling Gander Mountain for Gander Mountain to ship my OLD GUN to them and they would ship NEW GUN to Gander Mountain for me.
I got the gun Dec. 14.
The new gun I had to work on to get the hammer to pull back and lock, Someone didn't file down some rough metal off the inside of handle that the spring kept rubbing by and wouldn't allow the hammer to be drawn back fully and lock in firing position.
I got NEW GUN and took to indoor range and shot the gun at 70 ft and hit the target everytime with it. target was 8inch.
I now have a scope mount and scope mounted on it and had trouble keeping the scope mount on the gun but I fixed that with stainless steel screws and RED LOCTITE! Just sighting that in for 5o yards now and I'm ready for deer hunting this year!
****** IMPORTANT NOTE!!!!!!!!!*******
DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT FIRE ANY 45 LC. + Ammunition in this gun!! it states in the booklet that comes with the gun!!! NO + AMMUNITON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rogertc1]

BFG 45/410 is a better revolver

 

[dannyabear]

Yes it is, but for the price I can buy 6 or 8 super comanches

 

[JShirley]

That, and the Comanche is not a revolver.

I'd pick up one pretty quickly if I thought my GA Arms 260@1200 fps was safe in it.

 

[Gord]

Wow, this thread is still alive and kicking (sort of)? Cool.

I've generally found .410-capable revolvers to look retarded - see: Taurus Judge. The Comanches, along with the various Leinad double-barrels, kind of remind me of a Lupara. The comparatively low price is also a factor; for my purposes (snake dispatch, etc.) I don't see a need for revolver capacity, complexity or cost. It'd be a single blast at close range every time, with maybe a follow-up shot for an unlucky pattern miss.

There aren't as many rattlers around here as there were back in CA, so I don't really have a practical use for one of these anymore, but if I found one for the right price it'd definitely be a neat range toy.

 

[Seumas]

The only time losing is better than winning, is when you are fighting temptation

Well after reading many mix reviews I ended up a loser and lost my battle with temptation and I am now a super comanche owner. And at $160.00 plus free shipping from buds I don't feel like a major loser.

First impressions:

Like others have said, the gun feels solid, locks tight with nothing rattling. The machining is rough, very rough in some areas but you have to keep telling yourself this "it's a $160.00 dollar gun". I have not shot it as I just picked it up today from my local FFL. So I can't comment on that (yet). I have cleaned it and done my usual fluff n buff before I shoot routine. I also do this because well it's a new toy and I wanna play with it. (just being honest) The one problem I did have is with the 410 choke. It came with the 45LC choke installed on it, and it was on there nice n flush and I was able to use the choke removal tool to get it off with hand power only. I might add it is a cheap tool made from stamped sheet metal.(it's a $160.00 dollar gun) almost forgot to tell myself that again heh. Now, to install the 410 choke ( for me at least) was a nightmare. It would go on about halfway and stop! using pliers to grip the install tool made the tool start to bend. Something was not right, either really bad machining or something. Well what ended up happening is I would put the choke on as far as I could then force it just one more turn, then remove it and clean the threads on the barrel and in the choke. Seems someone didn't want to do their job right at the factory and the threads were gummed up with bluing or god knows what. (it's a $160.00 dollar gun), Well after doing that for a while I got the choke on and I'm happy again. Now to pick up some 410 shells and hit the range this weekend and report back.

btw, there are quite a few videos on youtue of this little hand shotgun

Cheers!