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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by KellyTTE, Sep 4, 2007.

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  1. KellyTTE

    KellyTTE Member

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    I saw a quote a while back showing that more kids die in 5 gallon buckets than by gunshot wounds. Anyone have a good VERIFIABLE quote on that other than the Consumer Product Safety Commission? (The CPSC only shows 250+/- deaths total in 20+ years)

    Help I need to drive back some anti's!

    Kelly
     
  2. Librarian

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    I think you'll find that BY AGE it may be more buckets than guns - for the 1-2 year range, because they're very top-heavy and not yet stable walkers.

    But since children includes everyone less than 18, the opportunities to be shot are hugely greater than the opportunities to drown.

    Here's all injury deaths:
    Code:
    2004, United States
    All Injury Deaths and Rates per 100,000
    All Races,
    Both Sexes,
    ICD-10 Codes: V01-Y36,Y85-Y87,Y89,*U01-*U03
    
    
          Age
          (in     Number of                    Crude
       Years)        Deaths      Population     Rate
    
            1           721       4,035,127    17.87
            2           563       3,997,730    14.08
            3           432       4,050,167    10.67
            4           349       3,894,330     8.96
            5           287       3,850,829     7.45
            6           270       3,862,186     6.99
            7           242       3,889,386     6.22
            8           217       3,973,341     5.46
            9           259       4,038,294     6.41
           10           270       4,073,140     6.63
           11           258       4,157,816     6.21
           12           359       4,229,227     8.49
           13           474       4,297,151    11.03
           14           708       4,374,117    16.19
           15         1,021       4,209,535    24.25
           16         1,669       4,143,443    40.28
           17         2,136       4,099,068    52.11
    Here's drowning (but can't isolate buckets from WISQARS):
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          Age
          (in     Number of                    Crude
       Years)        Deaths      Population     Rate
    
            1           190       4,035,127     4.71
            2           138       3,997,730     3.45
            3            78       4,050,167     1.93
            4            45       3,894,330     1.16
            5            35       3,850,829     0.91
            6            31       3,862,186     0.80
            7            24       3,889,386     0.62
            8            22       3,973,341     0.55
            9            24       4,038,294     0.59
           10           18*       4,073,140    0.44*
           11           16*       4,157,816    0.38*
           12            34       4,229,227     0.80
           13            29       4,297,151     0.67
           14            42       4,374,117     0.96
           15            41       4,209,535     0.97
           16            64       4,143,443     1.54
           17            69       4,099,068     1.68
    
    Here's accidental firearms (very small):
    Code:
          Age
          (in     Number of                    Crude
       Years)        Deaths      Population     Rate
    
            1            0*       4,035,127    0.00*
            2            3*       3,997,730    0.08*
            3            4*       4,050,167    0.10*
            4            7*       3,894,330    0.18*
            5            5*       3,850,829    0.13*
            6            1*       3,862,186    0.03*
            7            3*       3,889,386    0.08*
            8            3*       3,973,341    0.08*
            9            1*       4,038,294    0.02*
           10            3*       4,073,140    0.07*
           11            6*       4,157,816    0.14*
           12            8*       4,229,227    0.19*
           13           10*       4,297,151    0.23*
           14            8*       4,374,117    0.18*
           15           10*       4,209,535    0.24*
           16           18*       4,143,443    0.43*
           17           14*       4,099,068    0.34*
    Here's all firearm:
    Code:
          Age
          (in     Number of                    Crude
       Years)        Deaths      Population     Rate
    
            1            8*       4,035,127    0.20*
            2           11*       3,997,730    0.28*
            3           12*       4,050,167    0.30*
            4           20*       3,894,330    0.51*
            5           13*       3,850,829    0.34*
            6           10*       3,862,186    0.26*
            7           15*       3,889,386    0.39*
            8            9*       3,973,341    0.23*
            9           14*       4,038,294    0.35*
           10           13*       4,073,140    0.32*
           11           15*       4,157,816    0.36*
           12            28       4,229,227     0.66
           13            68       4,297,151     1.58
           14           115       4,374,117     2.63
           15           207       4,209,535     4.92
           16           333       4,143,443     8.04
           17           487       4,099,068    11.88
         
     
  3. helpless

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    Great stats, I will save to pass on to idiots.
     
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    We need to ban water ASAP!
     
  6. alsaqr

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    Yep, about ten years ago someone at OSHA read about kids drowning in buckets and decided that the buckets at all construction sites should be full of holes so they would not hold water. It did not fly.
     
  7. Carl N. Brown

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    When the "gun safety" people pushed for drastic, immediate action
    to require elaborate childproof gunlock laws to save toddlers from
    accidental shooting, it was pointed out that for toddlers (one to
    three years of age) there were far more drownings in five gallon
    buckets than there were accidental deaths by shooting.

    And, in true accidents with older children, firearms are less deadly
    than swimming pools or bicyles.

    The URGENT RUSH for elaborate FEDERAL laws (without review or
    even thinking), was more politics than actual concern for child
    safety.

    A little common sense, not elaborate detailed regulations with
    felony penalties for paperwork screw-ups, is all that is needed.

    If a gun is not under your immediate control, have it unloaded
    and locked up.

    If you are not actually mopping, empty and invert your mop bucket.
    (Worst are cleaning solutions that can smoother or disorient a toddler.)

    Don't let small kids swim unsurpervised.

    and so on.
     
  8. ilcylic

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    I think a friend of mine might still have bucketlock.com registered. Though we've never done anything with it, but hey, domains are cheap.
     
  9. Black Adder LXX

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    We need more bucket control...
    Perhaps if we had a 5-day wait to get a bucket... and a background check...
     
  10. Cougfan2

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    Yep, about ten years ago someone at OSHA read about kids drowning in buckets and decided that the buckets at all construction sites should be full of holes so they would not hold water. It did not fly.

    LOL The customers I talk to deal with inane OSHA BS every day.;)
     
  11. SDC

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    Have I got a website for you :) http://www.dhmo.org/ Dihydrogen monoxide is responsible for an average of 9 deaths PER DAY in the US, and countless others worldwide.
     
  12. Carl N. Brown

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    Water is OK. but that dihydrogen monoxide--what honest person
    needs to have a universal solvent like that in their home?

    That's like granddad's Browning A5 automatic shotgun was OK,
    but there is no justification for those semi-automatic machineshotguns from hell with PMS.
     
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    PDF converted

    FACTS ABOUT CHILDHOOD DROWNING
    Leading Causes of Accidental Injury-Related Death for Children 14 and Under


    2004
    Firearm 1%
    Falls 2%
    Poisoning 2%
    Bicycle 2%
    Other causes 10%
    Motor vehicle occupant 29%
    Fire and burns 10%
    Airway obstruction 17% Drowning 16%
    Pedestrian 11%

    Drowning is the second leading cause of accidental injury-related death
    among children ages 1 to 14 and the leading cause of accidental
    injury-related death among children ages 1 to 4.

    In 2002, 838 children ages 14 and under died as a result of accidental
    drowning. Children ages 4 and under accounted for more than 60 percent
    of these deaths. The drowning death rate among children ages 14 and
    under declined 42 percent from 1987 to 2002.

    In 2003, nearly 4,200 children ages 14 and under were treated in
    hospital emergency rooms for accidental drowning-related incidents.

    According to a recent study, nearly nine in 10 drowning-related deaths
    occurred while a child was being supervised.

    The total annual cost of drowning among children ages 14 and under is
    approximately $5.7 billion. Children ages 4 and under account for $3.5
    billion, or more than half, of these costs.

    Typical medical costs for a near-drowning victim aged 14 and under can
    range from more than $8,000 for initial hospital treatment to more than
    $250,000 a year for long-term care. The cost of a single near drowning
    that results in brain damage can be more than $5.5 million, including
    medical, work loss and quality of life costs.

    Certain groups of children are at higher risk for drowning.

    Children ages 4 and under have a drowning death rate more than three
    times greater than other age groups and account for 80 percent of home
    drownings.

    Male children have a drowning rate more than two times that of female
    children. However, females have a bathtub drowning rate twice that of
    males.

    Low-income children are at greater risk from non-swimming pool
    drownings.

    Drowning fatality rates are higher in southern and western states than
    in other regions of the United States. Rural areas have higher drowning
    death rates than urban or suburban areas, in part due to decreased
    access to emergency medical care.

    More than half of drownings among infants (under age 1) occur in
    bathtubs.


    More than 10 percent of all childhood drownings occur in bathtubs; the
    majority of these occur in the absence of adult supervision.

    Female children have a bathtub drowning rate twice that of males.

    Since 1983, there have been at least 104 deaths and 162 nonfatal
    incidents involving baby bath seats.

    Children can drown in as little as one inch of water and are therefore
    also at risk of drowning in wading pools, bathtubs, buckets, diaper
    pails, toilets, spas and hot tubs. Since 1984, more than 327 children,
    89 percent between the ages of 7 months and 15 months, have drowned in
    buckets containing water or other liquids used for mopping floors and
    other household chores. It is estimated that 30 children drown annually
    in buckets.

    More than half of drownings among children ages 1 to 4 are
    pool-related.


    Among children ages 4 and under, there are approximately 300 residential
    swimming pool drownings each year. More than half of these drownings
    occur in the child's home pool, and one-third occur at the homes of
    friends, neighbors or relatives.

    Most children who drown in swimming pools were last seen in the home,
    had been missing from sight for less than five minutes and were in the
    care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning.

    Since 1980, more than 230 children ages 4 and under have drowned in spas
    and hot tubs.

    African-American males ages 5 to 9 have a swimming pool-related drowning
    rate four and a half times that of their white counterparts.

    African-American males ages 10 to 14 have a swimming pool-related
    drowning rate 15 times that of their white counterparts.

    Installation of four-sided isolation fencing could prevent 50 to 90
    percent of childhood residential swimming pool drownings and
    near-drownings.

    Children ages 5 to 14 most often drown at open-water sites (rivers,
    lakes and oceans).


    In 2003, 21 children ages 14 and under drowned in reported recreational
    boating accidents. In 2003, 62 percent of children ages 14 and under who
    drowned in reported recreational boating accidents were not wearing PFDs
    or life jackets. It is estimated that 85 percent of boating-related
    drownings could have been prevented if the victim had been wearing a
    personal flotation device.

    In 2003, 200 children ages 14 and under sustained injuries in reported
    recreational boating accidents involving personal watercraft.

    Approximately half of all boating deaths occur on Saturdays and Sundays
    and between the months of May and August.

    Several safety laws and regulations protect children from
    drowning-related hazards.


    Four states (Arizona, California, Florida and Oregon) and many
    communities have enacted laws requiring some type of fencing around
    residential swimming pools.

    Forty-four states have enacted laws that require children to wear PFDs
    while participating in recreational boating. These laws vary in age
    requirements, exemptions and enforcement procedures. Recreational boats
    must carry one properly sized, U.S. Coast Guard-approved PFD, accessible
    and in good condition, for each person onboard.
     
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  14. brickeyee

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    Notice how 'children' has moved from the older "14 and under" to allthe way to 18?
    Of course this gets the gang bangers and others more likely to commit crimes and use firearms, thus skewing the statistics.

    The same thing has occurred with drunk driving.
    It is legally defined as 0.08, while 'alcohol related' is defined as detectable alcohol.
    We now hear that every 'alcohol related' accident is a 'drunk driving' accident.
     
  15. v35

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    Oft-quoted stat from Steven D. Levitt's Freakonomics: your swimming pool is 100 times more likely to kill your child than your gun.

    (link)

    Probably since they're all full of that deadly dihydrogen monoxide.
     
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    I will not stand by as children are slaughtered by swimming pools! I want a 10 day waiting period for swimming, and a manditory registering of children under the age of 25 who want to use a swimming pool. All rivers and lakes need to be confiscated until we decide what to do with them.
     
  17. Librarian

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    Far better that than the 24-26 year olds usually included.

    The break is 'adult' vs 'child'; anyone who can vote and enter into binding contracts is not a child. Maturity is a different issue.
     
  18. Soybomb

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    I've long said that no one needs scary looking 5 gallon assault buckets with handles that let you pour from the hip. All any honest man needs is an 8 ounce bowl with a floral print.
     
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