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6.5 Creedmoor past present future

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  1. Nature Boy

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    I think it’s mostly tongue in cheek, however, there is a natural tendency to push back against products that get over-hyped, for example

    New Coke
    The Segway
    The McRib
    The next iPhone
    Anything from Elon Musk
     
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  2. TikkaShooter

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    Same here.. It is one of my favorites in the safes.

    With all the new calibers, I wonder which will be there 57 years from now as the 7 Rmag.
    As I have a pre-Garcia Sako in 222 Rmag which was a great caliber and didn't last which is why I wonder...
     
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    Well, you CAN still at least get loading components for the .222Mag, but it had the bad luck of coming out right before the .223/5.56....
    The belted magnums are also fading but i doubt they will flop as hard as the 222mag did.
     
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  4. H&Hhunter

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    Diversity you say? HA!

    .223 x (multiple)
    6.5 CM x 2
    6.5-06
    .270 Wthby
    .308 x 3
    .30-06 x (more than 3)
    .300 Dakota
    .338 WM x 2
    .358 Win
    9.3x74R
    .375H&H x 2
    .404 Jeffery
    .458 Lott x 2
    .45-70
    .470 NE

    And those are just my daily shooters and my truck guns..

    Now all you kids GET OFF MY LAWN!
     
  5. Walkalong

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    Be careful there fella. :D
     

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    TWO guys shooting 222rms? I call shins!
    Actually, I sort of did too, I had a 6x47Rem....still got pile of random resized 204 and .222rm brass if either of you guys want them.
    I've never been an "I got it at Walmart" sort of cartridge guy. Which makes my adoption of the 6.5CM rather amusing to me, but looking at the plight of some of the other would-be stars, it does say something for how well the CM is doing for itself.
     
  7. Stew0576

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    I've been looking at what I would want in my 6.5cm, looking at all the offerings and having trouble, I'm primarily a target shooter don't need it for hunting, want to get into long range shooting, any pointers?
     
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    Stew, I have a Sako A7 in CM, but I understand they’ve discontinued it. Lots of rifle for the money. If I was looking now I’d seriously consider the Tikka CTR.
     
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  9. H&Hhunter

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    I was never a “Euro Trash” fan until I started shooting “EuroTrash”.....

    Sako, Tikka, Steyr, Blaser, Merkle, (new) Mauser, Sauer, are all extremely accurate and functional rifles.

    Tikka’s are off the charts for accuracy, smoothness and function for the money. I’ve got $2,000 + customs that won’t touch a Tikka in regards to consistent accuracy.
     
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    Years ago I was looking for an accurate .22 without getting into Anschutz territory. Ended up with a CZ 453 Varminter. Outstanding. Decided to get a 527 in .204. Just as good.

    I really think we live in the Golden age of rifle accuracy. Back in the 60’s, guys used to talk about the elusive 1” groups, but most put it in the same category as unicorns and the Easter Bunny. Now mentioning 1” groups are the norm. And we do that with extremely inexpensive rifles.

    Were I looking for a new rifle, I’d strongly consider a Browning. Always had a thing for them and never been disappointed. They have some really nice new rifles
     
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    Looking into the tikka, have to admit I'm starting to fall in love with the idea, putting together a budget plan now, wife will not be pleased :(
     
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    While the 6.5 PRC is ballistically better, I don’t know if it will beat the 6.5 Creedmoor in popularity. I think the 6.5 Creedmoor gained widespread favor amongst long-range shooters and hunters. Now, we hear about the 6.5 PRC, and people may say, “I’ve already got a 6.5 and having to buy another rifle for 200 FPS isn’t worth it.” I am not saying that 200 FPS and being able to load longer bullets isn’t appealing, but I believe that it will be hard-pressed to match/beat the 6.5 Creedmoor in popularity. Also, the 6.5 Creedmoor is available at Walmart and probably every gun shop at about the same price as other .308/.30-06 parent case cartridges. 6.5 PRC can be found, but not at Walmart. We will see... it’s great that we have new cartridges coming out; in my eyes, it’s a win either way!
     
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    I'd also suggest a Tikka CTR for a range shooter that's under $1k and not too heavy (could be taken hunting if you changed your mind). I had a CTR in .308, and the rifle was very nice, if it had been chambered in a halfway decent cartridge I'd probably still have it :cool: .

    I've had very good luck with my RPR, but it's much heavier and not as refined in some ways, although it does have many nice features.

    I'm not going to pretend that it or I shoot this well all the time, but even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then.

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  14. mshootnit

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    I hope the 6.5 bubble doesn't burst before I decide to buy one, that or maybe a 260....
     
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    That would be the best time to buy, kind of like buying used .40 s&w pistols now, there are deals everywhere
     
  16. mshootnit

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    However right now I would take one of each of those things. They snuck new coke in on you anyways... get one bottled in Mexico those taste like real Coke.
     
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    Non-sequitur. The 6.5’s are prevalent and priced competitively with any other chambering, and with sufficient market share already in the last several years to only become less expensive if the round ever does lose its top spot on the top 40 list. We’re not talking about a a rifle chambered in something which never gained any real market presence and could easily fade before it gains steam (but which is STILL relatively readily available), like the RSAUM’s or WSSM’s, for example. What has happened in the last 10 years won’t simply evaporate. If rifles chambered in a 7x57, 6.5x55, 25WSSM, 280rem or a dozen relatively obscure rounds in the modern era like them have survived in the used market, then it’s silly to think something as popular as 6.5 Creed will ever fall so far off of the map to become difficult to source.
     
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    It is certainly going to become less popular, as people begin to realize that it is a relatively weak cartridge for plains hunting where it has been over-hyped.
    Would the 6.5 work? probably, but why take the chance?
    I recently took several nice deer with a 257 Weatherby Magnum which allows a near dead-on hold to 400 yds (real world).
    Because I actually used the round on some large deer I can relate things like terminal performance, and how POI was impacted by real world conditions. I can tell you that in spite of shooting downhill in a 15 mph crosswind from a field position on a slightly moving target that the 257 Weatherby performed fabulously.
    BTW Varminerror do you have any real world experience with 6.5 to share (large bucks or coyotes for example). Can you show us that you know what you are talking about? Or are you merely repeating stories you have heard?
     
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  19. rizbunk77

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    Our cousins shoot a lot of deer with rifles and have sort of frowned on the 308 as kind of a dog for hunting open country, I know they like 30-06, 264 Win Mag, and 270. They really like their pre64 model 70's.
    I would think they would be somewhat OK with the 6.5 creed but being less powerful than 308 they would not be recommending it over some of the bigger faster rounds.
     
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    Checking in from the junction of the plains and the Rockies here, your prediction doesn't match the reality of what I've seen.

    The 6.5 CM is a very known quantity here, it's been out 12 years now. When are you thinking all these people who have been shooting it for several years are going to figure out they've been duped this whole time? Lol.

    Are you saying you've used the 6.5 CM on some large deer and have been disappointed? If so what happened that disappointed you? I've only taken one muley with the 6.5, just got my second elk with it though, and it seems to be working fine for me. I also know several other people who have taken deer and elk with them, people who shoot quite a bit at all ranges and who have hunted some seasons with the 6.5, when do you reckon they are going to realize theyve been duped by the snazzy marketing?

    I certainly wouldn't say the round is perfect for everyone or everything, but the marketing conspiracy folks calling for mass disappointment once people touch their brand new 6.5s for the first time crack me up. The Creedmoor has been out for over a decade, and the Swede, which when loaded up to high pressure performs similarly, has been out for over a century. Is it possible that people who are actually shooting and killing with these cartridges have a better idea of what they'll realistically will do than various internet armchair commandos?
     
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    I may not own a 6.5CM and really don’t have a desire. But how can one say that it isn’t effective on game up and to an elk? The 6.5x55 has been doing it all these years.

    The 6.5CM isn’t going anywhere, it may fall from favor over time but there is entirely too many out there and market support for it to fall into obscurity.

    On the upper end of size of animals to be hunted with it (elk in particular, I admit I would be leery of using one on elk) one has to pay special attention to range from target, projectile selection and shot placement but that should be a given for all cartridges. I think a lot of people need to pay more attention in general to the projectile they are using.

    I find it kind of silly to question its efficacy on game when the 6.5x55 has been putting game in freezers for a looooonnnnngggg time. The CM’s only difference is case design to bring it to modern day usage with metallurgy, projectile advancements and a more appropriate twist rate.

    It is not my choice for cartridge and I don’t have any first hand account with the round but some of the arguments about it (both ways) are silly.
     
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  22. mshootnit

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    I am saying I have sucessfully taken a 375 yd point blank shot on a Mule deer buck with a 270 WSM and broke both shoulders just above the legs. 6.5Creed in that situation would have ended in a broken leg.
    BUT I do respect and appreciate your first-hand experience. However there is another poster here whom I wonder if they even have any real experience.
    I think 6.5 would be a great little round for beginners or folks averse to recoil. But if I am going out to bag another 170 class buck, I will be taking my 270 WSM, 257 Weatherby, or 270 Win. In that order.
     
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    For years elk hunters said the 270 Winchester. was the lowest you should go for elk. And there were testaments of many elk wounded and lost to 270. Now 6.5 Creed is a definite step below 270 Winchester. So what gives? NOW all of a sudden a round smaller than 308 is as good as the 30-06? I don't know about that.
    6.5 is a great target round and great for woods hunting whitetails.
     
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    These are the drop (from a 200 yd 0), and drift with a 20 mph full value crosswind for one of my 6.5 loads, my .270 load from a few years ago, and a .270 WSM load I worked up, but never used on an animal.

    6.5 CM: 127gr LRX @ 2,890 fps (20" barrel)
    Drop: 18.8"
    Drift: 15.5"

    .270 Win: 140gr AB @ 2,940 fps (22" barrel)
    Drop: 17.9"
    Drift: 14.4"

    .270 WSM: 140gr AB @ 3,200 fps (24.5" barrel)
    Drop: 14.8"
    Drift: 12.8"

    The WSM drifts a grand total of 2.7" less at 400 yds, and wind is really the variable that counts. You'd have to aim ~3.5" higher with my 6.5 load than with my WSM load to hit your buck in the same spot at 375 yds, kind of a non issue if you know your rifle and your drops.
     
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    With good bullets, .270 kills elk fine, .308 Kills elk fine, and 6.5 kills elk fine, there's really no magic to it that requires a cartridge with the word "magnum" in the title. You need decent expansion and good penetration, but when you put a nice sized hole through the important squishy bits, they die just like anything else, at least in my experience. I will say that I think that the .30-06 strikes a very nice balance between recoil, trajectory, heavy bullet capability and excellent killing power, but there are lots of cartridges that will work well.
     
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