642 Club Part Deux

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S&W Locking Mechanism

I only own newer S&W revolvers with the locking mechanism. I often see post and comments online from many that prefer to have a pre-locking gun. Is this because those guns were built from the original company? I personally leave the hammer lock off all the time and so it doesn't bother me. I never thick twice about it and have never even taken the key out of the bag on my 460XVR and 642. I'm just curious on why so many are against the lock. No one is forcing it's use. Have there really been reports of malfunctions with the lock? Thanks.
 
And, here we go::banghead:

The problem I see with this 642 "Club" is all the extraneous "checking in" material that does not add one iota of information to bullets, powder, weaponry information sharing, etc. In other words...too much B.S. and not enough content. Hell, if I were a THR mucky-muck, I'd probably round file 3/4 of the posts as well...THR is the club...not a specific weapon.

This is a problem, but it is okay for someone to ask "Which is the best 9mm?" twice a week over in the bottomfeeder section. The nice thing about the club was the information sharing and the comradry.
The "new" club has already changed.:cuss:

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"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"
 
Best Price?

I am getting quoted a price of 410.00 out the door for a 442. Do you think this is a good price? ( Centennial Frame ) Thanks.
 
I too am a little confused as to why such a successful, informative, well regarded thread was closed too. Perhaps Brian can chime in and explain WHY?

At Very least it should be Stickied as not to fall into oblivion.

just my .02 as a supporter of the thread, information shared and general Camaraderie of the individuals involved.
 
welcome

pdevi, welcome to a great place for info, I bought mine and a friends at the same time from a fll friend, seems like 335 that was in the spring, 410 is not bad i believe.:)


R58
 
bkastel --

People don't like being told that they can't have a revolver w/o a stupid lock that they don't use. It makes the mechanism more complicated, which increases the odds that it might fail. Some of them have failed. Then there is the likelihood that adding it makes the gun more expensive (more parts = more work to make the gun = more expensive).

Then there is the perception that some of the older ones were higher quality/fitted and finished better/etc. And the older ones are definitely less expensive most of the time. So there's a lot of reasons why people look for the non-locked ones.
 
Quoted from fiVe's post above
Alone, I can’t keep the club alive, and I won’t try. It is up to the 642 Club Nation as a whole to make it happen. Again, the 642 Club is not what or where--it is who. I want things to continue and I hope you will all be here. The one thing that will make “Part 2” seem like home is to get back on subject. It’s all about that special, hammerless snubbie, and for me, the 642 in a Mika round-cut is still the best concealed carry configuration.


The Thread was closed because it was getting unwieldy to maintain and follow. I opened the new thread with the post from Five's Statement when the original thread hit 5000.
At one time We moderators were going to close all of the "Club" threads and we decided to keep the 642 Club as it was. It has grown to be quite a following and does contain a wealth of information. It will not "go away" it will still be on the board and is linked in the second post of this thread.
I am a member of this club and I am sorry that a few of you took offence with the closing of part 1 and this new thread starting. Well it will be easier to maintain in a smaller thread size and I was hoping it would remain a solid thread with some additional great info about the 642/442 Smith & Wesson Revolvers and the accessories that we as THR members have found that works and what does not.

Plug on 642 members and be glad it has part II
 
The "new" club has already changed. :cuss:
IMHO, It's because in the original 642 Thread the posts where helpfull and informative. So far, there has been alot of bitching and moaning about our old Thread being locked. Our original thread didn't have alot if any of that.

While I also wonder why the Mods would do this, there is really not a whole lot we can do about it other then PM them to find out why??
It's not as if they said that we would not be able to have a "Club" thread anymore.
The main reason our 642 Club thread was so successful was the wealth of information that the club members shared with each other.

I think we should go back to posting about how great our little mules are instead of complaining about the Mods locking our old thread.

I believe that if we respectfully ask that the original thread be stickied so all of the information will not be lost, the Mods and Oleg will do that for us.
JMHO :)
 
A suggestion or fiVe

I'm at work, and extremely busy, so I'll be brief.

I checked in earlier and learned about the bifurcation to Le Deux.
(I already think of it as "Re Deux", as in "redux", but that's another topic ...)

At first, I was shocked by the end of the other one (until I read Brian's post, and the link to this new one ...
I had only seen the lock on the thread in the table of contents).

However, seeing that it was Brian who made the shift, and trusting his judgment as a mod and a member of THR (knowing he's not prone to brash, irrational, unjust decisions), seeing that he not only offered up a spiffy title for the new cyberturf, but posted about his gun in it, not reading any warnings about too OT, or anything, the shock faded quickly, replaced by a mild concern or two, both of which have now dissipated (speaking only for myself).
[Added by edit: just read Brian's explanation, posted while I was writing this one. Sounds reasonable to me.]

Is the transition "good" or "bad", desirable or undesirable? Yes. Both, perhaps.

But, IMO, the "bad" will be a bit of momentary inconvenience, but no tragedy. I suspect it'll be "good". It may even encourage new folks in since it's not so intimidating for a read. We can always refer them to the archives for history ... [I'd suggest that we be extra diligent for a while, though, guiding new members as necessary as to the etiquette guidelines because they won't necessarily see how things worked out smoothly in the old house.]

So, a few suggestions, off the top of my head: (remember: crazy busy, haven't thought through this carefully):
  • Let's immediately carry the [strike]good[/strike] great vibe from the old cyberhouse to this new one. I don't remember any significant bickering in the other one; let's set the same goal for ourselves in the new digs, especially up front here in the entry way. :cool:
  • I'd suggest that we start a thread in "technical help" to pursue discussions about whether size matters (<ahem> of a thread) in a technical way, or whether it's more of an aesthetic thing. I hope we can avoid too many tangents in this one about those kind of software etc technical questions.
  • One topic I'd like to ask in that thread is, could the old one be temporarily stickied so that a few of us can more easily find it to retrieve some articles that we left over there when the move was done while we slept? [Anybody seen my Bianchi speed strip? It's loaded with Speer GD 135s in JT-mode (2+3).]
  • As a challenge, each of us - especially those of us who've been in here for a while - could spend some time over the next few months re-reading the old thread, make a list of favorite posts, and post the list here (as another version of fiVe's 642-wiki/blog thing). The truly academic 642 heads will categorize them (ammo, repair, shooting tips, holster, best humor in da' house :D , etc, yada, etc .)
  • Let's remember that this "club" (thread) is about the gun, first and foremost. BUT, the camaraderie - the personal touches, that let us know the people who are here, that keep it informative, interesting and even fun - is what keeps a lot of us posting. After all, if there were no people, there would be no gun.

I've got a few other thoughts about the concept of "club (thread)", too, for either here or another thread (perhaps in GGD), but ... crazy busy right now. Back to work.

Long live 642 ReDeux.
Long live 642 owners.

Best,

Nem A. Tocyst
Esq. & 642-head


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Did my dad a favor...

My dad was looking into ccw for the first time and wanted a recommendation for a gun to carry. He had mentioned a .45 colt derringer in passing some time ago. I didn't realize he was actually considering carrying one.

Well, long story short, he asked me what would be a good pistol for ccw. He def had a pocket gun in mind as I just can't see him holstering up.

Well, I am a former "club" member and have mucho respect for the 642.

So, after I cleared the cobwebs and figured out what he was asking me, I told him, "Here's what you want. A smith 5 shot revolver, stainless or blue. The one with the concealed hammer. You also want a couple boxes of 158gr +p LHPs. Win, Rem, or Fed will do. Then go to WalMart and get a few boxes of shooters."

I gave him a pic with model # off the smith website. After he does this stuff, we will practice the draw and shoot from 1-10 feet.
 
RE: Post #34
Brian, thanks for your post and thanks for giving us Part 2.

Resuming kiNg fiVe role...

People, people! Part 1 will always be a part of us. We've had a change, but we can make it into a good thing. It is now time to get back on course.

And so it is decreed.....


kiNg fiVe
 
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While I still have some reservations about this entire episode, I will let time tell the story and hope for the best. I urge all members both new and old to adapt as required and give no reason for any further Moderation. I ask only this:

Can we please have part 1 as a permanent sticky?
 
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642 partdeaux

Hey ya'll,
I agree with five,nem.,and jt1. While I am sad to see the old thread closed I am happy Brian opened part 2 for us to continue.
I emailed Robert for my Mika round cut and it is about 4 weeks out. Looks like I have a stocking stuffer on the way!!!!
I will send pics and a range report when both happen eventualy.
I hope to keep seeing all of you on part 2 and see some new people.
E'trode
 
Thanks for the explanation

I don't think anyone was going to loose sleep over part 1 being locked, I think many folks (myself included) just wanted some sort of 'splaining. Thank you Brian for clarifying. Now on to part two.
 
WOW!

I am really confused too! I decided to check in to my trusty 642 club and was sent on to part 2. I guess I can see how the technology part may have needed the transition. But will we still be able to access all the great info on the first half? A post that may not seem pertinent to me today may show to be quite valuable next week. This is most distressing.

On another note (I'm a musician, couldn't help the pun!), I will take my CCW class this Sat. Looking forward to it! My daughter has decided to sign up and take the class with me. While she owns a .45, I'll most certainly sing the praises (I know, music again!) of the mighty 642 to her. She did shoot it last weekend. I think she views it as too "lightweight", but we'll see how she feels after carrying her .45 for awhile! Perhaps she'll think twice about my "little" snubby!

Also, I ordered and received a "concealed carry" purse to carry my 642 in after I get my license. I'm not sure about it yet. Anyone out there know ladies who have tried these purses?

And yes, I know it's not the best option, which is why I also ordered the Mika pocket holster, but in many situations, that is going to be my only option. If only the clothing people would make appropriate clothing to fit women, especially those of us who are small of stature. Such as pants that are loose enough and have real pockets! Shoulder harness will work when I have jacket on, but what about casual? My traditional sweatpants certainly don't have large enough pockets!
 
Brian,

Thank you for clarifying.

Once again, Please sticky the old thread for easy access. If the same people participate in part Dux, it will grow just as quickly and by my estimates be 1,000 posts strong in the next 90 days or less, one of my last posts to the origional thread chronicled the meteoric rise of post counts.
 
Business as usual....

lanternlad1 - Glad to hear you got a good example with no issues, enjoy.

Tarwater - Welcome to the 642 Club. We are happy to have you with us. As far as ammo is concerned I am happy with the 158gr LSWCHP from Buffalo Bore as a carry round in both standard and +P. the 135 gr. Speer gold dot short barrel is also an excellent defense round. I use 158gr. wadcutters for live fire training and wax over primers for simulation. I have no experience with the Winchester +P JHP, but I will say that I would prefer to be on the primer end of one!

pdevi - $410.00 out the door is OK. Maybe not the best deal out there but probably the median going rate today. We are holding a spot open for you here, let us know how it works out.

Running Gunfight - Good advice...Where were you when I started my quest for a for CCW?

ardito40 - Have you looked at the Smartcarry/Thunderwear options? I know some here use them and seen happy with their performance.
Anyone up for providing a little review of this system?
 
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Brian - Thanks for the explanation. And the opportunity for Part 2! This "club" has such great information, friendly people, and all promote a worthy firearm.
 
Large single threads can do a number of vBulletin, especially in searching. I bet it might have been causing the search function to drag a bit. I was kinda surprised it went on as long as it did.

Anyway, It's part of history now, a good thread to look at, and we can continue it here. My (340) is right here in my jacket pocket. :)
 
A little history for the books

I'm 3/4 through my work day,
so on dinner break, I took some time to check in,
to see what the word on the street is about the transition.

All's quiet on the 642 front.

(Yep. Mine is right here on my right side, as always.)

[Still looking for that speed strip. :scrutiny: Anyone find it?]

Being a scientist, and official club pollster, I couldn't help doing a little research.
As you may know, if you go to a sub-forum (e.g. Handguns: Revolvers),
and click on "views", the listing will be rearranged with those threads
having greatest number of views on top, etc.

So, I clicked on views, and got the following listing.

Must be one of the first "closed" threads ever
to be listed on top with 289,871 views.
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Open for business
on The High Road.

It doesn't get much better.

Carry on.

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Nem A. Tocyst

PS: Por favor, it's just "Nem".

There's no "a" at the end of "Nem".

"A" is my middle initial.

;)
 
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