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  1. ponchh

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    San Francisco police fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect NOBODY IS HIT. Maybe they should have called poot. Its on fox
    He did shoot at the police twice, he was laying down suspressing fire.
     
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  2. George P

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    Hard to shoot well when you're dodging human waste everywhere while holding your Starbucks in the other hand.......
     
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    How about they didn't kill the guy, viewed as a positive thing? At the point where they had discharged this many rounds,
    it would seem this guys life being saved was on a rapidly diminishing order of probability. But they kept the guy alive.
     
  4. George P

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    And 65 shots, including what appeared to be some .223 went SOMEWHERE, meaning a lot of innocent folks might have been in harm's way.
     
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    That guy should have played the lottery instead of shooting at the cops
     
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    Maybe their dept. will review and update their training?
     
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    Just another example of the fact that "firearms training" doesn't mean jack squat.
     
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    In the stress of a real life shooting incident - anything might result (at least that's been my experience...). I used to advise my officers to "line him up" before taking that shot since misses won't help you one bit.... in that once in a lifetime moment when it's all on the line.

    If I were near a shooting event and heard a torrent of fire my first assumption was that it was panicked fire. The sound of disciplined fire is entirely different - and most likely will have an entirely different outcome.

    Remember, for most with badges - unlike popular entertainment... a shooting event on the job is so rare that many go their entire careers without firing a single shot on the street. In my own career down here in south Florida I fired only one shot in 22 years (and wish I hadn't....). That was almost 40 years ago now but I'll carry it to my end.
     
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    That's funny. :rofl:
    But to tell you the truth. With everything that has been going on with all the Anti Police stuff over the last few years. Some officers will do whatever it takes not to shoot a bad guy, even if he has a gun. Most LEOs with 10 plus years know that by shooting someone in the line of duty, no matter if it's a good shooting, their carrier is over.
    There is a shortage of LEOs across the nation right now and a shortage of people wanting to be LEOs. Myself, I hit my 20 year mark in August 2020 and plan to retire January 2021.
    When Gavin Long ambushed two officers on my Dept and a Sheriff Deputy here in Baton Rouge. He meet some well trained officers and never saw the sunset that day.
     
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    Ya think the Chief(s) should hire some new trainers? :cuss: Maybe if the went to the .22, that everyone could shoot....:rofl:

    https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&k...vqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_mqg80yhbm_e
     
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    This kind of shooting (non-)performance seems to be pretty common in geographic areas where all the cops are drawn from a local population with little or no firearms experience. The limitations of law enforcement firearms training - both on the front end and during officers' careers - are well-known. Most agencies simply do not provide enough range time and ammo expenditure, much less require it, to achieve real competence on the part of regular officers. Most cops who are actually proficient with firearms got that way, in large part, on their own time and often money. When you are pulling officers from a local culture that tends to have very few people actually interested in guns, you won't get much of that. What's worse, the lack of any standout "natural shooters" on the force (i.e., people of ordinary talent who have invested time and attention to becoming good shooters) makes all the officers feel that their qualification-passing shooting is "pretty good."
     
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    Pretty hard to train someone to be a truly decent handgun shooter at speed when you only get them 1-4 times per year for an hour or so on a square range.
     
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    Most of this generation of cops have never been in a fist fight. Imagine they uninitiated terror the experienced when shot rang out.
     
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    BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS IN PRACTICAL SHOOTING GAMES WHERE COPS PARTICIPATE:

    I actually think better firearm training would reduce the number of incidents in which well-intentioned-but-mistaken cops shoot various people who are not actually a threat. Most cops have a painfully slow draw and very poor indexing. They usually can hit things when they shoot slowly (reflective of what most of their quals require), but they cannot do it very fast. Those who hang around the gun games usually get fast, just like anyone else, but the average cop is painfully slow on the draw, transition, etc.

    Now, consider a situation in which a cop is trying to decide whether a suspect in a poorly-lit environment has a gun in waistband or just a folded up baseball cap. The shorter the time between the cop deciding to fire and landing hits, the longer the cop can afford to wait. That extra tenth of a second may provide the additional information needed to decide not to shoot at all.

    I think police agencies ought to require cops to at least show up and watch a few USPSA or 3gun matches so they can get a sense of how fast ordinary, non-pro shooters can learn to go. Many of them simply have no idea.
     
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    The shooter was inside an RV, so I'm not surprised he wasn't hit. It'd be interesting to know how many times the RV was hit...
     
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    They were shooting blindly into a big aluminum box? WTH? How did they know there was nobody else in there with him... like an innocent child?
     
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    They only have to shoot once a year so its not really training. Its pretty sad! I would say every 3-6 months.
     
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    I'm surprised that the SFPD hasn't already been relegated to only carrying "non-lethal" or "less-lethal" weapons.
     
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    I hope it was 65 times and there were no through and throughs
     
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    Right! Wouldn't want to hurt a MURDERER would we?
     
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    Missing 65 times in 15 seconds is non-lethal:)
     
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    • " In a gun fight... You need to take your time in a hurry"
    • "Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry"
    • Wyatt Earp
     
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    For those who wish for death by officer, we should NOT oblige. Prison will be a much better punishment for those. :evil:

    Of course we generally like to try them in court first, too. After all, we don't want any squawking about "due process" and leniency for technicalities.
     
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    Haven't you heard? Trump is getting rid of that.:rofl:
     
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