Kennedy: Do you think S.397 is doing anything about that? No. Disgraceful. We already know terrorists are exploiting our gun laws. Talks about that training manual. We're not talking about hypothetical. Talks about terrorist group caught trying to buy guns here and ship them out. Talks about plot to blow up propane tanks. This bill will bar state AG from bringing action against sellers. At NRA command, industry is already exempted from consumer regulations. They also persuaded gov't to destroy gun records in 24 hours. Blah blah, terrorists. Make no mistake, NRA comes first for Repubs. Unholy alliance. S.397 gives greater protection to gun industry than any other. My amdt would expand current ban on AP ammo. You can buy it online, etc. that is a disgrace. The NRA would have us believe cop killer bullets don't exist. Cites eBay sale listing AP bullets. Number of officers killed in ‘04 32 were killed with vest on. Only AP can do this, and my amdt addresses this.
7/29/05 - Senate S.397 Discussion
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chrisher
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My wife came into the room and said, "Honey, I don't ask you for much..." When she begins with that line, it's usually followed by, "But would you please scoop the cat box, mow the lawn, etc." Just now, it was, "But I need you to get on a plane and go kick this moron's (Kennedy's) a$$."
What a wife!!!
What a wife!!!
I sent the swimmer a nastygram basically calling him a liar and asking him to be sure and check his facts before spouting off. Hopefully the SS doesn't come after me. (I was polite and concise, don't worry)
p.s. Funny--SS--never thought of that before...
Greg
p.s. Funny--SS--never thought of that before...
Greg
waterhouse
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I'm pretty sure Kennedy just said "We don't keep records of firearms sales because we are concerned about people's privacy and their right to keep and bear arms."
This sounds like a reasonable statement, until you realize that he is screaming it and he clearly thinks it is ludicrous that our privacy and RKBA are important rights.
This sounds like a reasonable statement, until you realize that he is screaming it and he clearly thinks it is ludicrous that our privacy and RKBA are important rights.
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Haha, now they have to call Orrin Hatch to set things right.
"The sky is truly falling!"
"The sky is truly falling!"
StopTheGrays
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Hatch needs to shut off his phone. 
Don't worry about the flight, chrisher...Sen Hatch is doing a pretty good butt-kicking job on "Swimmin' Teddy" right now...
Alabama Sen Sessions has got his kicking foot going quite well now...
Wow even the FOP & LEAA support this bill, and said the "Cop-Killer Bullet" is a thinly veiled fraud...take that, Teddy!
Alabama Sen Sessions has got his kicking foot going quite well now...
Wow even the FOP & LEAA support this bill, and said the "Cop-Killer Bullet" is a thinly veiled fraud...take that, Teddy!
Hatch: To hear Kennedy, you'd think the sky is falling. That if we don't vote for his amdt, we'd be for terrorism. I rise to speak against the Kennedy amdt. Craig's amdt would strengthen penalties for using AP handgun ammo, and would create study on effect of performance based ban. The Kennedy amdt would ban nearly all rifle ammo. It is also opposed by FOP. Fact is we have laws in this area that are working. BATFE reached same conclusion in recent study. They found no additional legislation regarding such laws is needed. Kennedy believes we just need to keep passing laws. The Frist-Craig amdt recognizes that current law regarding AP is working. It states that you can't mfg and import for civilians AP handgun ammo. It says that if AP ammo is used to kill cop, than the max penalty used is death. Wound cop with AP, mandatory sentence of 15 years. It sends msg that ammo is illegal, that they will pay ultimate price for use. Reject Kennedy amdt.
Message from Bush arrives.
Sessions: I have some great LEO friends who have served. They're concerned that repeat offenders are released to the street. They feel sometimes that the justice system is too slow and sentences never get carried out. This is consistent with letters we've received concerning Kennedy amdt. Reads LEO letter supporting S.397, and referring to Kennedy amdt as poison kill. Says cop killer bullets are thinly veiled lie. FOP writes in opposition to Kennedy. They say that though presented as officer safety issue, regardless its effect would be to expand definition of AP based on marketing strategy. Only one officer has been killed from AP handgun ammo, and that was due to vest failure.
Sessions: I have some great LEO friends who have served. They're concerned that repeat offenders are released to the street. They feel sometimes that the justice system is too slow and sentences never get carried out. This is consistent with letters we've received concerning Kennedy amdt. Reads LEO letter supporting S.397, and referring to Kennedy amdt as poison kill. Says cop killer bullets are thinly veiled lie. FOP writes in opposition to Kennedy. They say that though presented as officer safety issue, regardless its effect would be to expand definition of AP based on marketing strategy. Only one officer has been killed from AP handgun ammo, and that was due to vest failure.
NCGUN
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I've been away, someone catch me up, Lautenburg failed, craigs passed, and we are awaiting kennedy's amend vote now?
Dan from MI
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Does the Craig Amendment expand the definition of "Armor Piercing" or just restate the ban on what is currently DEFINED as AP bullets?
In short, this amendment could do nothing, or be really bad.
In short, this amendment could do nothing, or be really bad.
Kennedy: I have here the FFL ref guide, which already bans 14 different types of ammo. I'm just trying to add a 15th, of cop killer bullets. Our officers can't be protected by a study, if you care about terrorism, you'll support my amdt. This isn't about hunting, geese don't wear vests.
Dan from MI
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"""This isn't about hunting, geese don't wear vests."""
They have feathers which is actually a damn good protector from shot. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
They have feathers which is actually a damn good protector from shot. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
sturmruger
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I sure do like CSPAN online!! It is always interesting to see what happens in the US Senate.
I do recall reading about a gang of high school aged children using Dillon presses to reload for their "sniper rifles" though. Seriously, there was an article a few issues back about a rifle competition team that takes a practice day to reload every now and then to keep up with their needs.
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