7.62 x 54 who shoots this?

[tahunua001]

guess I should have said russia or countries with strong communist influences...

 

[ObsidianOne]

I don't shoot surplus ammo. Most of the surplus ammo on the market is under 150 gr. The 91/30 is rifled to shoot 200 gr ammo. I do shoot modern Russian ammo. 203 gr Brown Bear ammo shoots the best in my tests. Prvi Partisan is the most accurate but they don't manufacture soft point ammo. The 7.62 x 54r with 203 gr soft point ammo hits like a shotgun slug, it puts deer down on the spot. After the first couple days of hunting here in NC deer seldom venture far from dense, impenetrable cover. If the deer even runs 50 yards or so your chances of recovering the deer drop dramatically.

Sure they do.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...vi-partizan-7-62x54r-sp-bt-150gr-pp-7-64.html

 

[Ignition Override]

According that article in the NRA magazine a few years ago, the Russians sent Cossack inspectors to the West. or Remington plants.

One Cossack took each rifle and banged the stock butt on the floor. They taught him a lesson by leaving a round in a chamber one day. Boom!
When the Russian revolution began, some US troops were in a Russian port and actually had a firefight with some of their troops.

Anyway, the only reason I sold both Russian MN 44s (one came from Classic- in '07) was because of the huge groups on paper from 50 yards, using only Bulgarian ammo.
This happened with retracted or extended bayonets, and the bores were fairly bright, but if there were lots of muzzle wear, could this explain 7" groups from 50 yards using a bench rest?

 

[meanmrmustard]

I don't shoot surplus ammo. Most of the surplus ammo on the market is under 150 gr. The 91/30 is rifled to shoot 200 gr ammo. I do shoot modern Russian ammo. 203 gr Brown Bear ammo shoots the best in my tests. Prvi Partisan is the most accurate but they don't manufacture soft point ammo. The 7.62 x 54r with 203 gr soft point ammo hits like a shotgun slug, it puts deer down on the spot. After the first couple days of hunting here in NC deer seldom venture far from dense, impenetrable cover. If the deer even runs 50 yards or so your chances of recovering the deer drop dramatically.

Sure there is.

It's usually sold out these days, but there are SPs made by PPU.

 

[hang fire]

According that article in the NRA magazine a few years ago, the Russians sent Cossack inspectors to the West. or Remington plants.

One Cossack took each rifle and banged the stock butt on the floor. They taught him a lesson by leaving a round in a chamber one day. Boom!
When the Russian revolution began, some US troops were in a Russian port and actually had a firefight with some of their troops.

Anyway, the only reason I sold both Russian MN 44s (one came from Classic- in '07) was because of the huge groups on paper from 50 yards, using only Bulgarian ammo.
This happened with retracted or extended bayonets, and the bores were fairly bright, but if there were lots of muzzle wear, could this explain 7" groups from 50 yards using a bench rest?

US and Russian troops had a fire fight? Uh yeah, and it lasted for several years.

 

[bigdaa]

The Soviets of WWII fame adapted the 7.62X54R round to the SVT 40 and considered that rifle the Russian M1 Garand.


It employed a box magazine which was an advancement over the Garand, but that is where the similarities ended.

The SVT 40 was too delicate and prone to failure to ever measure up to even the most battle worn and abused M1 Garands.

The cartridges are somewhat on par with the American 30-06 but are more varied for the military application in terms of projectiles used. From 148 to 204 and everywhere in between, these cartridges from the factories could fill all requirements.

That said, it would be preaching to the choir to say to folks that the vast majority of the ammo available is ComBloc corrosive steel cased copper washed. This requires the special attention to cleaning all weapons using this stuff.

I don't have a rifle chambered for this round but intend to get one to utilize the 1500 rounds I have in storage. The boys want an M44 and so do I.

 

[Ash]

Mosins were generally made for 147 grain LPS by the time WWII rolled around. Heavy ball in the Soviet Union was 180 grain and it was considered "long range" ammo for machine guns. General soldiers received packets of light ball for their rifles. 200 grain loadings were never military standard.

Saying that, my Finns really like the 203 grain soft points. Heck, most of my Mosins shoot that weight well. My PSL likes the light ball while my NDM-86 seems to have little real preference - it seems to like most ammo just fine.

 

[firesky101]

True 200gr was never a military loading I know of, however the original load of 7.62x54r was a 210gr.

 

[Ash]

But that was before they went to spitzer bullets. The vast majority of Mosins had their sights removed and replaced with Konovalov versions 1907-10 to handle the lighter spitzer bullets. All Mosins made after 1909 have the newer sights and were so designed to fire the lighter bullets. All M91/30's, 38's, and 44's were designed and intended to fire 147-149 grain bullets, 180 grain if need be. There were no bullets heavier than the 180's in issue during or after WWI.

 

[coalbed]

I love the way some people buy a gun made for steel case corrosive ammo and then claim its too good to shoot the surplus in it. Iv'e had good luck with Russian surplus as well as Bulgarian and both are probably the cheapest rounds out there. I would love to reload at anywhere near the price of this stuff, but truth is the components are just not available at any price and gas checked cast bullets are a pain in the rear all the way around, not to mention the low charge weights and heavy bullets land nowhere near the sight in for anything else on target, then you have to deal with the bore lead. I would only use cast bullets in a rifle if the Apocalypse was upon me and I had no other bullets left that could be made to work. The 1st bunch I remember that claimed surplus Russian was unacceptable was the AR-15 crowd who bought uppers to use the cheap ammo (7.62x39), then realized their guns wouldn't run with it. They then claimed they didn't want to use it anyway as it was dirty garbage ammo and unfit for their black rifles . I would love to be able to keep a supply of good quality reloading components at hand, but even before the rush on ammo it was hard to get the same type hunting bullet after you had set up a good load with one brand, it would be out of stock the next time you wanted it, if not the bullets, then the powder, if not the powder, then the brand of primers. I'd stay so mad at Midway Id yell everytime I went to order. See the only ones worthy of in stock items are the owners of 1911 colts in .45, AR-15 owners in .223, and M1A owners in .308. Anyone else can make do as far as ammo, component, and accessory manufactures and sellers are concerned. I hear Canada has a good selection of .310-.313 bullets due to the high number of SMLE rifles in .303 British there, I would love to have a good selection of those sizes, in several weights, Its the bulk of what I want to load. but alas, Its not easy to come by here. Just because its in the catalog, doesn't mean it will be in stock. Some weights are listed but Iv'e NEVER seen them in stock.

 

[stubbicatt]

I purchased a box of Lapua D166 bullets. I think the bullets cost as much as the rifle. 100 projectiles cost me more in 2013 than did the rifle in 2002 or thereabouts.

Now to load them. I may "Mexican Match" load them on steel cases, but I have a few brass cases I could use. I wonder how well the heavies will perform from a SVT40?