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7.62x25 bolt rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by stubbicatt, May 10, 2013.

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  1. stubbicatt

    stubbicatt Member

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    Anybody know if there is a production rifle available in the mighty Tokarev cartridge? Maybe a T/C Contender?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Ed Ames

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    You can get chamber adapters to fire them from mosins (7.62x54r).

    I have no experience with them but I've seen 'em advertised.
     
  3. wnycollector

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    I have used both 7.62x25 to 308 and 7.62x25 to 7.62x54 chamber adapters over the years. When tok ammo was inexpensive a half dozen years ago I used them a lot, but once the supply of inexpensive ammo dried up they have not been to the range in a long time.
     
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    Not a bolt gun, but I wildcatted a 38 Long Colt rimmed cartridge into a 7.62 X 25R and had a Martini Cadet single shot rifle chambered for it. Talk about a SWEET, little cartridge!!!:D
     
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    From what I've read, 7.62x25 does not really gain any velocity from a rifle-length barrel. Its powder charge is calibrated perfectly to get the maximum velocity out of a pistol.
     
  8. kBob

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    So anyone got a Destroyer Carbine with a rusted / shot out barrel?

    Rebarrel that puppy in 7.62 Tok and get back with us!

    Hmmm. What was the name of those cheap Remingtons from the late 60's with the short throw bolts? Had removable mags and multi lug bolts? How about rebarreling the .222 model to take 7.62 Tok and some sort of pistol mag?

    I do believe there is a difference in actual muzzle velocity between pistol length barreled 7.62 Tok guns and say a PPsH -41 plus no one says the OP might not be into reloading and might make a 7.62 Tok load with slower burning powders.

    good think I never win the big lottos or crap like that might be littering up my shop.

    -kBob
     
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    I always thought the big fireball was a bunch of untapped potential; much like the bright flash from a short 357 (or any other) magnum is from powder that hasn't quite burned, and which can be exploited in a longer barrel.

    Anyone have velocity data from SMG barrels (if nothing else)?

    TCB
     
  10. stubbicatt

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    Oooh! A Destroyer carbine! That would be cool. Maybe one of those Camp 9 carbines would also work in a pinch.
     
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    It's not a SMG barrel but IIRC I was getting ~1890fps from surplus Bulgarian and ~1750fps from wolf gold out of my Ishapore Enfield using a 7.62x25 to 308 chamber adapter.
     
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    What sort of accuracy were you getting with the Indian Enfield and adaptor at tree rat to rabbit ranges (25 to 50 yards)?

    How did accuracy compare at those ranges to full blown 7.62 NATO?

    -kBob
     
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    The accuracy of the tokarev ammo out of the enfield was excellent out to~75 yards. You would have no problem hitting a rabbit or squirrel in the 25-50 yard range.
     
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    Any carbine length barrel should gain 100-200fps with a high intensity pistol cartridge, we see that all the time with lever action 357s and 9mm sub guns. I don't see any reason the 7.62x25 should be any different, it has plenty of case volume for it's bore.
     
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    I always thought a modern M1 Carbine in the caliber would be interesting. Or, take one of the 9mm carbines and try it out. You couldn't use the Hi Point because of the magazine-in-the-grip issue, but others could be redesigned with rather minimal changes. For that matter, a tube magazine would work just fine.
     
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    XP-100 reworked for the 7.62x25?
    :)
     
  17. Robbins290

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    I would love a rifle in 7.62x25. I wonder how the chamber adopters work
     
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    7.62x25 bolt action

    Thought I'd jump in, I think a Destroyer carbine would be the best bet (if you can find one). I started to build the very thing about 10 years ago when ammo was real cheap, CZ-52 pistols hit the market and Destroyers were still around. I seem to remember the magazine wasn't quite long enough and some fitting would be required. I wouldn't re-barrel anything for a pistol cartridge, I would have it re-lined to .308, then chambered for the tok round, accuracy difference at that velocity isn't worth the money and you get to keep the barrel contour the same as well as the finish (if lucky and the smith doesn't over heat the silver). At the time I wanted to do it, I had a job change out of state and never got to do the project. Let me know what you come up with, I still would like something like that to work loads up in. That said, Star pistols in 9mm largo are cheap again and so is 9mm largo ammo lol. I probably would just buy more 9mm largo if I found a Destroyer now days. I still have an old Astra 400 in it. Its a pretty good round loaded to Euro standards on its own. * A word on the Adapters, I bought one from that guy in Alaska to shoot 7.62x39 in .30-'06, I put it in there just like it said and only used brass cased like it said, but on the 1st day I went out, (about a week after I installed it, plenty of cure time) I shot maybe 7-8 shots and it came out. The brass was stuck in there so bad I couldn't get it out. I tried to take a punch and drift it out, it came but the punch also hit the neck of the adapter and split it. I won't buy another. Bad thing was that for those few rounds, my .310 barrel 1909 Argentine Mauser factory re-chambered in .30-'06, gave the best 100 round groups of its life with me. I sooo wish it would have worked.
     
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    More recently I bought a Polish PPS43-C in 7.62x25 to do the "testing" in. I've had ALLOT of trouble with it not functioning and am just now got around to sending it back tomorrow. Has anyone else bought one of these and had good or bad luck with it?
     
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    I can't really say anything about the PPS43-C rifles, but I've heard good things about Century's Finnish Suomi builds. All reports say they work perfectly with the stick mags, but not the drum; this is forgivable and understandable since the Suomi was originally an open-bolt gun, and changing to closed-bolt can affect magazine timing.
     
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    I use Adapters & like em, but I am not going to use one you got to glue in, I use .30 carbine & 7.62x25.................
     
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    Y'all do know that 7.62x25 is a less powerful cartridge than .30 M1 Carbine, right?
     
  23. Ed Ames

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    Isn't that the point? Low power/quiet (from a long gun)/cheap (if you stocked up).
     
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    I had an aquantience that loaded some 150 grain .30-30 style FNHP bullets in carbine cases and he "thought" he got around 1000fps in them. They did seem quieter than GI carbine ammo and did cycle the cation and feed, but I have no idea what load he used. Alberts bullets used to make a swaged lead 150 grain bullet in .30 for rifles(Shutzen Plinker) and had a load for it in .30 carbine that functioned their test guns at I believe about 1100 fps.

    I wonder if a Mini-14 might be rebarreled to 7.62 Tok and made to take PPS43 mags.......just for giggles and I know that would be a lot less powerful than a .223, 7.62x39, or 6.8 mm, but just for giggles

    Perhaps if Savage makes a .223 with the 110 type barrel nut/ change system that might be a good place to try to make a 7.62 Tok bolt gun up from.

    -kBob
     
  25. exiledtoIA

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    kBob did you mean the Remington 788 series?
     
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