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I think there’s even less market for 7.62x25 and 9x18 than there is for .327 Federal.
9x18 is the about the upper limit for a blow back that doesn’t have a slide like a hi-point. And if it isnt a blow back, might as well make it a 9x19.
7.62x25 chambered guns haven’t been made in maybe 60+ years? Its a fun round to shoot but ammo isnt available like it used to be. To me, it’d be like having an AR-10 in 7.62x54r...
9x18 is the about the upper limit for a blow back that doesn’t have a slide like a hi-point. And if it isnt a blow back, might as well make it a 9x19.
7.62x25 chambered guns haven’t been made in maybe 60+ years? Its a fun round to shoot but ammo isnt available like it used to be. To me, it’d be like having an AR-10 in 7.62x54r...
Jim Watson
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Iron Curtain countries are still making Tokarevs for the Colonial market, along with fresh ammo and still finding Cold War surplus in the back of the warehouse.
There aren't any NEW designs that I know of except for the Chicom SIG copy. We buy so much stuff from the Chicoms that a few pistols ought not to hurt the balance of trade much worse, but any excuse to restrict guns for Americans.
Zastava in Serbia, formerly part of Yugoslavia, continues to manufacture handguns chambered for 7.62X25mm to this day AFAIK.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M57
They're In Stock at numerous retailers, readily available as an option for those unable to find more popular handguns chambered for more popular cartridges in the USA to purchase.
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-m57a-7-62x25-tokarev/
https://atlanticfirearms.com/produc...karev-pistol-zastava-7-62x25-military-surplus
https://www.classicfirearms.com/hand-guns/zastava-7.62x25/
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I’m not saying they aren’t cool or potentially useful as a field pistol. But that is a minuscule market. I could still buy a new rifle in .244 H&H but the market is just not there.
I think one in 1911 style gun would be fun like a .357 Coonan is... but seems unlikely.
Jim Watson
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You can (or could, I don't see one at J&G or Numrich today) buy a 7.62 barrel for your .38 Super or 9mm 1911oid.
The round is really too long for the gun, but you have several options.
Just the right .38 magazine, maybe squeezed a little in a vise, will hold 5 rounds at a slant.
Deep seating the bullet to fit will work, but pressures go from high to too high.
Handloading to magazine length is the best solution but that doesn't let you plink with Slobovvian Surplus ammo.
There was a picture of 7.62 Tok and .30 Mauser cartridges side by side. The Mauser round was visibly shorter. Short enough?
The round is really too long for the gun, but you have several options.
Just the right .38 magazine, maybe squeezed a little in a vise, will hold 5 rounds at a slant.
Deep seating the bullet to fit will work, but pressures go from high to too high.
Handloading to magazine length is the best solution but that doesn't let you plink with Slobovvian Surplus ammo.
There was a picture of 7.62 Tok and .30 Mauser cartridges side by side. The Mauser round was visibly shorter. Short enough?
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"Iron Curtain countries are still making Tokarevs for the Colonial market, along with fresh ammo and still finding Cold War surplus in the back of the warehouse."
Who is still making Tokarev-chambered pistols for the "Colonial market", whatever that is. And other than PPU and S&B, where are you seeing any new or surplus ammo being imported?
"The Mauser round was visibly shorter."
Impossible, it's the same round with the same measurements. Any variation is simply what you would find between different manufacturers.
Who is still making Tokarev-chambered pistols for the "Colonial market", whatever that is. And other than PPU and S&B, where are you seeing any new or surplus ammo being imported?
"The Mauser round was visibly shorter."
Impossible, it's the same round with the same measurements. Any variation is simply what you would find between different manufacturers.
wiscoaster
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Sorry, but I disagree, as I never had any trouble pre-pandemic finding ammo in that caliber locally, and no trouble at all right now online. There are a lot of Tokarevs around, and IMO, ammo manufacturers are going to continue producing what those shooters want to shoot. A quick search right now using Ammo Seek shows 13 different in-stock vendors for 7.62x25.
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I never said it was hard to find but the days of 5¢ surplus ball are long gone. I would wager the amount of 7.62x25 available for purchase in 1998 was larger than what is available today.
And in todays climate, theres likely 250,000 rounds of 9x19 made for every 1 7.62x25 made. They will be running the press on 9mm during panic buys. I can’t imagine they’ll retool for x25 for a while. For what its worth, .25 ACP is always on the shelves too.
7.62x25 is like 5.45x39 these days. Cool guns, historic round, but 9x19 and 5.56x45 are the de facto standard.
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Jim Watson
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Mr Zorg gives a maker of new Tokarev designed guns and why do I have to see other than two well known brands of ammo?
Here is some Iron Curtain surplus, sorry, it was made by PPU but I am tired of searching the catalogs for you.
560 Round Box - Hard Primer 7.62x25 FMJ Yugo Military Surplus Ammo For M57 Pistol - Made in 1977 by PPU - Read Description
The Colonies are my reference to the ex-British colonies of North America where the Old World countries dump their surplus junk in a less repressed market.
And here are the different length Tok and Mauser cartridges, made by the same company; as shown in that Shooting Times article linked above. Tolerances? OK.
I may not always be right, but I do try to not make stuff up.
wiscoaster
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I'm sure you're right about that, but I'm also sure that I'm glad there are more options than just the de facto standards and that some people seek those other options. As long as people continue to seek those other options they'll continue to be available for some price or other. And the more options that are available, the more people can accomodate themselves with some kind of uniqueness they seek. It's just human nature to want to be different. Think how boring the firearms market would be if there were only Glocks.
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One of the draws of the 7.62x25 is it is capable of defeating soft body armor. There may be some oddball, light and fast 9mm that can do that, but I've not seen any evidence that stuff like Fort Scott TUI or Lehign Xtreme Penetrator can beat soft armor.
Now, some would say if you want a handgun that can defeat soft armor that you either have bigger problems or you're paranoid. That or they'd say that 5.7x28 is a better option. Given we don't control the circumstances of when we have to shoot someone in self defense, we can't anticipate whether someone is armored or not. Either way, I'd rather have 7.62x25 than 5.7x28, bigger bullet moving fast enough to beat armor.
This didn't stop being manufactured 60+ years ago and I can't think of a firearm chambered for 7.62X25mm manufactured in the USA so no huge surprise it's a small market here, but the Balkans, not so much WRT being unpopular. New production SMG's in 7.62X25mm were a feature of the Balkan wars 30- years ago as well.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-yugoslav-m56-submachine-gun-perhaps-too-simple/
jonnyc
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A. Your post makes no sense.
B. Look at the case lengths.
C. Don't search anything for me, I collect TT ammo and know what's out there, not to mention that I regularly shoot 6 TTs and constantly buy 7.62x25 ammo.
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