Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

7.62x39 Golden Tiger vs "Russian Wolf" vs "Russian Military Classic"?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ZombiesAhead, Apr 11, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. ZombiesAhead

    ZombiesAhead Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    460
    I need to pick up another 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39. I usually use AmmoMan and right now he has 3 types of 7.62x39 FMJ for $195-$199. What should I choose?

    RUSSIAN 7.62X39 GOLDEN TIGER FMJ AMMO
    124 GRAIN NON CORROSIVE
    20 ROUNDS PER BOX - 1,000 ROUNDS PER CASE
    [​IMG]


    7.62x39 RUSSIAN WOLF FMJ
    FULL METAL JACKET
    NEW POLYMER COATING
    20 ROUND BOXES NON CORROSIVE
    [​IMG]


    7.62X39 RUSSIAN MILITARY CLASSIC
    FULL METAL JACKET
    NON CORROSIVE BRAND NEW AMMO
    100% NEW POLYMER COATING
    [​IMG]

    I've used this "military classic" before with success. Any suggestions?
     
  2. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    All three come from Russian ammo factorys.

    Get the best deal.
     
  3. MIL-DOT

    MIL-DOT member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2006
    Messages:
    3,110
    Location:
    Georgia,C.S.A.
    Though most reports on wolf ammo are positive, i've read many more complaints about wolf than i ever have about GT.This goes back a couple years, on several firearm and AK-specific forums. But to be fair, i haven't shot ANY wolf ammo myself, but i've shot lots of GT through several different rifles, and split cases with friends. No problems at all for any of us . GT is also pretty widely reported to shoot cleaner and hotter than the wolf stuff, and is usually cheaper.
     
  4. nathan

    nathan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    5,067
    Golden Tiger for me. If you can get the HP, then much better. They expand very well on impact. Makes for a nasty wound on the intended target.
     
  5. Mojo-jo-jo

    Mojo-jo-jo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    475
    Location:
    Georgia
    I recently put 500 rounds of golden tiger through an SKS over two consecutive days without cleaning. I started getting FTE's (not every shot, but every now & then) in a hot gun after about 400 rounds.

    Otherwise, I think I had one FTF, and that may have been due to out-of-battery (not sure though--primer strike was very light).

    I don't think these are really bad results for cheap lacquer-coated ammo.

    IMHO, all the Russian steel/lacquer stuff is really about the same. It even smells the same. AFAIK, they're all made (at least approximately) to Russian MIL-SPEC. Buy the cheapest.
     
  6. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,277
    Location:
    MA :(
    aside from smelling like cat pee, wolf has NO problems in AK's and SKS's its those picky AR's (some AR's shoot it fine) that earn it a bad rep.

    it seems to be a little bit under GT in the quality, but its much more widely available.
     
  7. ZombiesAhead

    ZombiesAhead Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    460
    I am personally a Wolf/cheap Russian Ammo devotee. While I can afford to shoot 5-round groups with expensive, brass-case stuff, I can't stock any significant quantity of it.

    I'm less enthusiastic about the Golden Tiger because it doesn't say "polymer coated" and I don't want the lacquer-coated stuff. It is also $5 cheaper, and while I'm not sure what that says, I'd like the "good stuff" if I'm already in the very-cheap ammunition category.

    I have not used Golden Tiger but I have used both Wolf Black Box and Wolf Military Classic successfully. I recall the black box cases being green and the military classic cases being pewter/dark gray.

    Any difference currently between the two versions of Wolf? They are both polymer-coated which is the important thing for me.

    Also, do you guys really run hollow points? As "just-in-case" (shtf) ammo, I want something that feeds for sure and thus I have always bought the FMJ's.
     
  8. ZombiesAhead

    ZombiesAhead Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    460
    Just realized the Black Box is 122 grain while the others are 124 grain. It's now between Golden Tiger and Military Classic.
     
  9. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    5,356
    Location:
    Oregon
    Haven't tried GT but I'm liking the wolf mil classic (I also have some 154gr black box). From what I have read from various ballistic tests it uses a different (much better) bullet than most of the cheap stuff and actually tumbles, frags, and gets good penetration.

    Haven't had any failure-to-anythings...but come on, it's an AK! You can use them as an axe and they'll beg for another spanking.
     
  10. chupacabrah

    chupacabrah Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2008
    Messages:
    502
    Location:
    Triad/NC
    military classic = lacquer coted
    black box = new poly coating
    golden tiger = lacquer (IIRC)


    from what i've read, they all work great in AK's.

    WMC diameter is .311, Wolf black box is .310. Golden tiger is .311.

    Military classic is more to russian military standards, i think.
    I would run any of them with confidence
     
  11. ZombiesAhead

    ZombiesAhead Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    460
    The Wolf MC also says "polymer coated." I'm ordering 1000 Wolf MC and 1000 Wolf 9mm.
     
  12. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    5,356
    Location:
    Oregon
    My MC is poly coated. I don't think wolf uses lacquer anymore unless it's an old batch.
     
  13. Mojo-jo-jo

    Mojo-jo-jo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    475
    Location:
    Georgia
    Golden Tiger is lacquer coated. Wolf "Military Classic" is polymer coated.

    In an AK or SKS, I don't think it really matters either way. Both were designed to shoot lacquer coated steel-case ammo.

    The polymer may be better in an AR.
     
  14. semper_fidelis

    semper_fidelis Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2007
    Messages:
    50
    Location:
    The crappy state of IL
    my uncle sks wont cycle the wolf

    the reason is because of the polymer coat on the cases so we tried the golden tiger in both his and my sks's it work wonderful and is cheaper. P.S. he seems to think it is more accurate
     
  15. guntotinguy

    guntotinguy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2008
    Messages:
    573
    Location:
    Las Vegas,Nevada
    All 3 seems to shoot well in my AK's,SKS's,Saiga's and not ever a problem...I would prefer GT,but Wolf works 'just fine' (in both SKS's...Yugo and a Russian).I havent tried this ammo in my AR's...honestly wouldnt want to...
     
  16. strat81

    strat81 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2006
    Messages:
    3,912
    Location:
    Nebraska
    Golden Tiger FTW. My WASR loves it. Hits the 100yd plate with no problem if I do my part and I can't ask for more than that.
     
  17. chris in va

    chris in va Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2005
    Messages:
    6,097
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    I vote Golden Tiger. Never had a problem with it, but the Wolf primers are pretty hard and my CZ carbine had some issues setting them off. No problems with any in my Saiga. My SKS didn't like the hollowpoints.
     
  18. LeibstandarteAdH

    LeibstandarteAdH Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    535
    Location:
    South Carolina (Midlands)
    I put them in this order based on FTFire rates/DUDs:

    Golden Tiger - Never had one
    Wolf (regular, from TCW) - had 1
    Wolf MC (Ulyanovosk in a wolf box) - had several

    FTF's are what matter the most to me in these guns how i shoot them. THe accuarcy is only a tad bit worse with Golden tiger than the regular wolf, and seems to be the worst with the mil classic. The only thing i hate about most all of Tulas new output is that polymer coating that does not hold up as well in storage when damp ect..
    Barnual beats them all in every catagory but you didnt ask. The "hot-shot" is as good as barnual in all the other ways, but with an M67 style projectile and the good old laqured cases. Its the best for all of my applications IMHO. Century has it on sale right now i think.

    In your current case i would say go for the golden tiger by far.
     
  19. gp911

    gp911 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2005
    Messages:
    1,141
    Location:
    OH
    Big Golden Tiger fan here... Love the stuff.

    gp911
     
  20. FEG

    FEG Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    454
    Even though this isn't the exact question asked, here is my answer:

    Rank the Top 7.62x39 Commercial Brands:

    1. Sellier & Bellot
    2. Barnaul
    3. Brown Bear/Silver Bear
    4. Golden Tiger
    5. Wolf (Tula Cartridge Works, black box)
    6. Wolf Military Classic (Ulyanovsk, camo box)
    7. Ulyanovsk (blue and white packaging, spam can)
    8. Norinco


    The Ulyanovsk I tried in the past was awful. The only thing worse is the semi-corrosive Norinco that smells like a cat peed on a radiator. The Wolf Military Classic, while pretty sucky, is at least better than the actual Ulyanovsk branded ammunition. I guess Wolf made them improve their QC.
     
  21. R127

    R127 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    Messages:
    544
    Location:
    Paranoid Police State Where America Used To Be
    I didn't know Hot Shot was loaded with an M67 style projectile, I'll have to check some out. I definately agree about lacquer coated cases, they do WAY better against water than polymer. The worst coating is the zinc on Silver Bear. That stuff turns into a nasty powdery oxide very quickly and does nothing against moisture.
     
  22. Funderb

    Funderb Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Messages:
    2,104
    Location:
    Jacksonville, Bold new city of the south.
    golden tiger does not work in my yugo sks, it fte's a lot.

    Works like love in my chinee norinco.
    No arguments here. It's cheap and fun.

    Norinco ammo, the copper wash steelcore stuff was always amazing in functionality and accuracy for me.
    no wonder it's all but gone.
     
  23. trickyasafox

    trickyasafox Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Messages:
    2,523
    Location:
    upstate NY go to school in WNY
    wolf black box works best for me out of those three. I might be crazy but the lots of the military classic i've had feel less stout than the traditional black box.
     
  24. High Planes Drifter

    High Planes Drifter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,204
    alex, I dont know if you orderd already, but J & G has Golden Tiger for 179.00 per K.
     
  25. ZombiesAhead

    ZombiesAhead Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    460
    Wow this thread just keeps going.

    HPD - I did already order 1000 rounds Wolf MC 7.62 for $199 shipped and 1000 rounds Wolf Black Box 9mm for $150-$160 - Can't quite remember but now that the WWB jumped in price I'm trying something new for pistols/carbines as well.

    Anyway, I've never tried Wolf 9mm but the Wolf MC 7.62 FMJ's have always worked great for me as stated above. I'm sticking with what I know. Sounds like some people really like GT but I just wasn't sure what the coating was on it and I wanted to make sure I got polymer not lacquer...
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page